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  1. I am very, very sorry!!!!  I should have looked before I leaped!  In my household (I don't have CH; my daughter does), we have only ever tested for D, and there have been no issues. Again, I am very sorry for my error.  I see that the calcium/PTH test is also available from labs, if your doctor won't order it.  (I guess it is a logical addition to the D test for a doctor to order, since D can potentially imbalance calcium and PTH.)  I am hoping that others here will tell you how they approached their doctor about this -- and, you can send a message directly to Batch, who has always been very happy to advise people. You would not be imposing on him -- this is his baby, so to speak, and he has always been very generous with his time. To message him, click on the envelope icon at the top right side of the page and put xxx into the "To" line.

    The vial method was recommended by @jon019. I'm sure we got it right before posting it, but let's double-check.  (We had similar frustrations to yours in getting the Imitrex dispenser open, but found that with patience the cut, keep wiggling, and crack open method eventually worked.)  (Damn, I wish you had O2.  That will so dramatically change all this.)

  2. I will urge you to start the D3 right away, without waiting for a lab test. I promise you that unless you have been taking regular D3 supplements at high levels, your D is low. (If you had a thorough annual physical (Medicare, I assume), your D was probably tested then.)

    The best way, as you say, is to ask your doctor to prescribe the vitamin D test.  If you don't want to go that way, or get refused, you can have the test done at a lab without a prescription.

    Your doc should be okay with ordering the test, just in general because most docs appreciate the importance of D. Also, if s/he has any respect for what you are experiencing with CH, it seems like it ought to be enough to say that you have seen some promising results from an anti-inflammatory regimen that includes D3 and you'd like to try it. (I would try to avoid telling the doc what the amounts of D3 in the regimen are, because some can get a little freaked out by that.)

    For the lab test, if you just google, lab vitamin d test near me, you should see places where you can go to get the test, and pricing, etc.

    There is also a mail-in test that you can order online (or maybe find at a pharmacy). I think this is the least reliable (and slowest) method. 

    I hope you are splitting your Imitrex injections. Getting partial doses from sumatriptan injectors (Imitrex, Imigran, etc.) - ClusterBuster Files - ClusterBusters   For a pill to have any chance of helping, it has to be taken at the beginning of -- or before the beginning of -- an attack (some people can do that if the attacks come at predictable times).

    I'm sorry you don't have O2.  Some people get good abortive results from deeply inhaling cold air, from an air-conditioning vent or outside, if it's cold out.

    Please get back to us if/when you are considering busting.  This isn't the right board for discussing it, so I'll just say that there are substances that you can legally buy and possess that are just as effective as MM (eliminating the sourcing problem you mention). And they are typically tripless.

     

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  3. Maybe someone will give this a try.  Do you use the Pepcid as a preventive or to stop an attack that has already started?

    Just as a historical perspective, I will mention that the antihistamine Benadryl has often been shown to be quite effective, and the overall D3 regimen is also an antihistamine method.  Pepcid works on different histamine receptors than Benadryl (Pepcid, H2; Benadryl, H1), and it does seem (to me) that Benadryl might get more effectively to pain sources, since Pepcid works mostly on gastric/digestive tract receptors. 

    Regarding Tiger Balm, there has been discussion of it over the years, and several people have said that it gives them some pain "relief" by being unpleasant enough that it distracts them a bit from the CH pain.  You can read input about this by putting "Tiger Balm" into the search bar that is at the top of any page.

    In your 17 years of CH, I assume you have, as people often say, "tried everything." Are you not using oxygen, or the D3 regimen, or anything besides Pepcid, Tiger Balm, and turning your neck to manage your attacks?

     

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  4. If the BBQ pork was Chinese, I feel sure it's MSG that was the trigger.  Even if it wasn't Chinese, there's a decent chance there was MSG in the sauce.

    Be sure he knows this about reducing the Trex dosage: Getting partial doses from sumatriptan injectors (Imitrex, Imigran, etc.) - ClusterBuster Files - ClusterBusters

    What you say about the Trex suggests that he doesn't have oxygen.  It's something that could make a big difference for him!! 

  5. Horrible, horrible, horrible.  I am very sorry, and that interviewer should be fired, the bastard.   I think it's obvious to us that even looking for work in your current situation is practically heroic.

    Gotta ask: Are you doing the D3 regimen -- that really makes a big, big difference for most people -- and have you managed to get oxygen?  And is this common for you -- a remission period of maybe a couple of weeks and then the attacks come back?  It's not clear to me what you mean when you say "The 5 day rule failed me."  I remember that at one time you were taking relatively small doses.  Am I right that you kept dosing during this remission time?  If you want to say more about what you have done, maybe it'll help.

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  6. On 1/15/2025 at 7:00 AM, Jamesmsv said:

    It's the 1am-ish part that niggles at me. As far as I'm aware ( please correct me if i'm wrong) there has been no satisfactory explanation for the 1am phenomenon which, in my opinion, is probably one of the most common symptoms of all CH sufferers.

    I suppose "satisfactory" is the key word in what you wrote.  Certainly there have been possible explanations offered, particularly with regard to REM sleep (Exploring the Connection Between Sleep and Cluster Headache: A Narrative Review - PMC).  

    According to one study (attached here), 2am is the most common time for attacks, but midnight, 1, and 3 are right up there. (Rather than a specific time, it's probably more accurate to say ~90 minutes after falling asleep.)  (At least as far as I can tell, the attached study actually tells us almost nothing, since of course people get multiple attacks and they all are counted here.) However, as many as 25 percent of people with CH don't get nighttime attacks, and the number of reported attacks (in the study) at 2pm and 3pm (outside the time range of your theory) isn't all that much lower than the number at midnight or 1am.

    On 1/15/2025 at 7:00 AM, Jamesmsv said:

    This biphasic theory suggests there is a part of our circadian rhythm that wants us awake circa 1am.

    Well, but why would it want people to be awake and experiencing excruciating pain, or use excruciating pain to wake them?  And why, if maybe we all, or most of us, have a biphasic instinct wired into our brains, are so few people afflicted with CH (or just generally, why do so few people wake up, with or without pain, at those early-morning hours, or ~90 minutes after falling asleep)?  And why does a daytime nap so often bring on an attack?  These questions are not to dismiss your idea, which I think could be part of the puzzle, but to say that there are surely more complex things going on and to agree with you that it would be nice if there were "a neurologist specialising in both sleep and cluster headaches out there who latches on to this."

    On 1/15/2025 at 7:00 AM, Jamesmsv said:

    we need to find a CH sufferer who is desperate enough and flexible enough to switch to a bi-phasic sleep pattern for a minimum of 2 years to see if it helps.

    Of course, there are whole cultures that have a biphasic sleep pattern, though not exactly the kind you have been referring to. A siesta in the afternoon along with some nighttime sleep (usually less than 8 hours) is pretty common in many Latin American and European countries.  I guess someone could look at CH incidence among those populations.

     

    Rozen - Cluster_Headache_in_USA-2.pdf

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  7. Hello, Megan.  I hope this works out for you!

    The only existing graphical things I can think of are the things you can find with a straightforward Google image search.

    There are several large surveys of people with CH, one done around 2011 by Todd Rozen and others, and another from fiveish (??) years ago by Larry Schor and others.  I think you'll be able to find these by googling.  They have some graphics, but I'm thinking might be a lot of information in there that could be converted to the kinds of graphic formats you mention.  ClusterBusters has led a recent large-scale study that I don't think has been published yet.  I'm not sure how much that study is focused on the use of psychedelics to treat CH; the Rozen and Schor ones were most about demographics and how people experience CH.

    I'm sure you're also aware that there are several books at Amazon about understanding and treating CH.  I don't know how much they use graphics (I feel pretty sure that they will have the usual ones -- a brain map showing the hypothalamus; a chart of differences between CH and migraine; some kind of symptom list), or how much you might find there that you could treat graphically.

    Finally, there is some amazing artwork illustrating the experience of having a CH attack or being a person with CH.  I have seen that in various places, but can't say where you might find it (maybe it will also come up from a Google image search). 

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  8. Sumatriptan pills are a waste of time. Only the injectable version or an inhaled triptan really work.

    6 minutes ago, bison91 said:

    Also I've noticed it's usually less severe when I sit or stand vs laying down. When I lay down it feels like more pain drains into my head for lack of a better term.

    One symptom of CH is the absolute inability to be still during attacks -- pacing, rocking, etc. are typical.  With untreated CH, there is often more dramatic activity.  I'm sticking with my guess that you don't have CH.  

    You don't seem to have received much medical attention for whatever it is.  I think virtually any competent doctor, just going "by the book" for a migraine diagnosis, would have prescribed a preventive such as verapamil and an injectable triptan (Imitrex is the brand name in the US).  Also, the new migraine meds (if that's what you have), such as Emgality, seem to be quite effective (for migraine).  The D3 regimen that I mentioned above will help you a lot if you do have migraine.

  9. The specific cyclic nature of these (a month or so on, a month or so off), and the very long attacks ("hours" is not particularly unusual, but "days" certainly is), suggest to me that it's not CH that you have.   When you say "Severity does change slightly during that period but it's very painful the entire time," it does make me think of a condition that is a kind of CH "look-alike," hemicrania.  There are different forms of hemicrania (hemicrania continua (https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/21538-hemicrania-continua) and paroxysmal hemicrania (Paroxysmal Hemicrania: Causes, Symptoms & Treatment). Neither one is precisely what you have described, but you might be close to episodic hemicrania continua.

    Hemicrania typically (but not always) does not respond to sumatriptan injections, which you might have been prescribed for a migraine diagnosis.  Hemicrania also typically (but not always) does not respond to oxygen, which would normally be a prescription for a cluster headache diagnosis.  So if your attacks have responded to either/both of those, it would cast doubt (but not conclusively) on a hemicrania diagnosis.  It's relatively easy to test for hemicranias, since they do respond to a drug called Indomethacin (when it is properly prescribed). 

    Can you say something about what you have taken to treat your condition?  You might want to consider starting on the vitamin D3 regimen, which has been an effective preventive for many severe headache conditions. https://clusterbusters.org/forums/topic/1308-d3-regimen/

     

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  10. Glad you got that recommendation from Karisa!

    A few suggestions:

    For prevention, try the vitamin D3 regimen that has made a huge difference for many hundreds of people with CH.  Headache Treatment Protocol Update - General Board - ClusterBusters.  A neurologist is probably going to give you verapamil, which I'm sure you have already tried, or something else you have tried.  D3 works better and is typically without side effects (actually good for you).

    If you're going to use an injectable triptan, learn how to split your doses: https://clusterbusters.org/forums/topic/2446-getting-partial-doses-from-sumatriptan-injectors-imitrex-imigran-etc/

    So many people have said here that oxygen didn't work for them, only to have it work fine when they optimized their systems and methods, that I have to suggest that if you have NOT used a flow rate of 25 lpm or more, have not used the mask specifically made for people with CH (or maybe you even got the useless nasal cannula instead of an actual non-rebreather mask), and have not tried different breathing strategies, it might be worth it to you to try a fully optimized approach. (Also, it's important that the O2 is coming from cylinders, not a concentrator.)

     

  11. the anti-inflammatory vitamin D3 regimen has worked very well for people with chronic and episodic CH (https://clusterbusters.org/forums/topic/1308-d3-regimen/), and "busting" (using psychedelics), when done properly (not with microdoses and generally five days apart, not three or four), has also benefitted many to prevent cycles/attacks and provide an end to episodic cycles or remission from chronic attacks.  you don't mention oxygen in your posts, but it is a very effective abortive for chronic and episodic folks, and so is DMT.  None of these things (D3, oxygen, or DMT) blocks busting, and there are other CH meds that don't block busting. 

    again -- may you never need any of this information, and may your discovery benefit many others. 

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  12. If the CBD ever lets you down and you start having attacks again, please check back in here.  Some of what you say above is a little bit inaccurate, and people here will be able to give you some guidance about highly effective preventives and abortives that you can use while dosing with psychedelics (or on their own).   But for now, may your CH-free life continue forever!!

     

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  13. I was surprised to see that CHsince99 seems to be getting good results, even preventive effects, from "drowning myself in coffee, " because in the experiences that I know of, the approach that you describe -- limiting coffee only (or as much as possible) to times when it is needed as an abortive -- seems to have made the caffeine more effective for achieving or helping the abort.   Very frequently there is new stuff posted here about so many things related to CH, contradicting or challenging what I thought I knew, and there are so darn many possible variables that I don't see a good way to sort them out, except by the kind of question you ask and seeing what the most common experience is.

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  14. I very much appreciate this report, and as you say, it probably couldn't hurt for people to give it a try.  It's wonderful that you have experienced this relief!  I will say that you are far from the first person who has reported here on trying CBD, and some have indeed reported good results -- though not a "cure," which is not a word we use here lightly, and surely not until at least a couple of years have gone by.  If you (or anyone else reading here) want to see past reports related to CBD, just put CBD in the search bar located at the top of each page (here's an example: https://clusterbusters.org/forums/topic/5581-cbd-i-know-i-know-but-bear-with-me/#comment-56361). 


    Of course, it is possible that through your research you might have hit on just the right oil and/or just the right dosage and/or who-knows-what other "just right" thing that gets it all aligned.

    If you don't mind, I have a few questions/requests:

    16 hours ago, andrew zappara said:

    several videos of people claiming that taking magic mushrooms or lsd gave far better results  in very small micro dosages of 0.4 grams every 3 to 4 days had far better results than any medications with no nasty side affects what so ever i started taking shrooms and to my suprise i was getting alot less attacks per day and not as severe

    Two questions here: (1) Did you continue dosing with shrooms? 
    (2) Would you point me to one of those videos you mention, making that specific recommendation ("small micro dosages of 0.4 grams every 3 to 4 days")?  As the first site specifically created to encourage/help people to use psychedelic substances to treat CH, we try to keep track of what people are saying out there about how to do it, and I have not seen videos making this recommendation (which is different from what we have learned here about the best way of treating CH with psychedelics).

     

    17 hours ago, andrew zappara said:

    i started looking into something . . . endocannabinods . . . some of us dont produce enough of this compound in our body and funnily enough i found that people that suffer from chronic migraine and cluster headaches were the ones that were lacking this enzyme.

    As people here know, I like to dig into the research, so I have the same request: Would you be kind enough to point me to one of the studies you found showing this deficiency in people with CH?  I have tried googling, and I have found research about hormones lacked by people with CH (one study, for example, says "CH often show accompanying neuro-endocrinological changes such as a blunted circadian rhythmicity of hypothalamically regulated hormones including testosterone, cortisol, growth hormone, thyroid-stimulating hormone, prolactin, melatonin, follicle-stimulating hormone, and luteinizing hormone..."), but I haven't located anything about endocannabinoids and CH.

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  15. 1 hour ago, JesseRae said:

    I wish there was a rule book of exactly what to do and what not to do.

    Well, there isn't that, but the core principles are pretty straightforward:

    > Use the vitamin D3 regimen to prevent cycles or at least lessen the severity of attacks during cycles: https://clusterbusters.org/forums/topic/1308-d3-regimen/

    > Yes, there are other preventives that work for some people at the right (usually high) doses, but D3 ought to be enough, and it has no (or far fewer) side effects

    > To end a cycle and potentially prevent one, busting is a choice that many make (click on "New Users - Please Read Here First" at the top of any page here)

    > To stop an attack, oxygen is the go-to for most people.  (This is discussed, along with a lot of other things, here: https://clusterbusters.org/forums/topic/6213-basic-non-busting-information/).  Many people are finding DMT to be an effective abortive (DMT experiences and advice - Theory & Implementation - ClusterBusters).  Triptans in various forms (injected or inhaled) will also stop attacks, but with side effects (see the "basic non-busting information" file above for more on this).

    > A course of prednisone, if properly prescribed, will typically hold off attacks during a cycle for some amount of time, and can sometimes (rarely, in the experiences that have been described here) end a cycle

    > There are lots of other strategies that can be used to supplement the above, or make some things more effective (caffeine, for example), and to treat the shadows that some people get.  You can read about all that in the linked document from above (https://clusterbusters.org/forums/topic/6213-basic-non-busting-information/

     

     

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  16. On 12/24/2024 at 2:22 PM, Kevin Broderick said:

    Since I have episodic, getting O2 seems like it would be hard for me to get. Ya know, finding a place to get the tanks, getting it up to my Apt... doing all that would be difficult for me, the logistics and all. I wish I could just call somebody up and have it delivered. Yeah right!

    Oxygen should not be hard to get because you're episodic.  A doctor should prescribe it, and (if you're in the US) Medicare would most likely cover the cost.  And it is the job of oxygen suppliers to do the part you mention -- bringing it up to your apartment.  But even if you go with welding oxygen, unless you have to walk up a lot of steps to get to your apartment, it ain't that hard to lug some decent-sized O2 cylinders once in a while.  There are rollers you can put them on, for example, or some decent sized ones fit in a rolling suitcase.

    On 12/24/2024 at 3:12 PM, Kevin Broderick said:

    I didn't mention that I got the triptan injectable recently and it gets rid of them in about 3 or 4 minutes. That's a miracle for me but I think that most people know that you can't take that stuff all the time.

    If you are using the injectable triptans, be sure to split your doses: https://clusterbusters.org/forums/topic/2446-getting-partial-doses-from-sumatriptan-injectors-imitrex-imigran-etc/

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  17. Seems like adding zinc is the most practical of the things listed there, although there's no indication there of how much zinc to take, so I suppose that could become another whole area of study.  The vitamin D3 regimen already includes zinc, I think at 10 mg/day in the recommended multivitamin.  I think he also recommended supplementing at some times with 50 mg zinc, and as I recall, there was mention of studies showing that taking zinc can reduce migraine attacks.  Whether that's considered to be related to adenosine, I don't know.

  18. Here's something from 2019: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7802413/

     

          "As previously mentioned, it is still unclear why oxygen exhibits such good efficacy in the treatment of CH. The vasoconstrictive theory was prevalent in the early 20th century until Wolff et al. found that ergotamine constricted external carotid arteries and simultaneously relieved migrainous headaches. Therefore, they proposed that headache is caused by vasodilation rather than vasoconstriction. The study was published in 1938 and overturned the past theory. In 1961, Horton proposed that histamine cephalalgia was caused by the vasodilatation of extracranial vessels, and that oxygen was a vasoconstriction factor. If the vasoconstrictive effect of oxygen exists, oxygen therapy should be effective for both migraine and CH. However, the oxygen treatment is only effective for CH. In the 1980s, some studies reported a decrease of cerebrospinal flui in patients after breathing 100% oxygen as compared to breathing room air. Since then, animal model studies have demonstrated the protective, anti-inflammatory role of hyperoxia in microcirculatory inflammation. In 2006, Schuh-Hofer et al. demonstrated that hyperoxia can inhibit dural plasma protein extravasation in rats. Recent studies have suggested that CH is associated with some brain structures, including the trigeminovascular system, the cranial autonomic system, and the hypothalamus. The activation of the trigeminovascular system is thought to play an important role in the pathophysiology of CH. Goadsby and Edvinsson attempted to demonstrate the associations between hyperoxia and neuropeptides, and the results indicated that a significant reduction of calcitonin gene related peptide concentration in the jugular vein after oxygen treatment occurred, which suggests a possible effect of hyperoxia on trigeminal afferents. However, animal experiments have shown that oxygen does not directly act on trigeminal afferents, but appears to play a key role at the parasympathetic pathways. At present, studies assume that oxygen may act as a terminating factor in CH attacks. More research is needed to clarify the specific mechanisms of oxygen treatment for CH.

    Table 1.

    The history of oxygen used for cluster headache

    Study Year Findings
    Alvarez et al. 1940 First use of oxygen for headache at a flow rate between 6 and 8 L/min.
    Horton 1952 First description of oxygen used for histamine cephalalgia.
    Horton 1955 Oxygen treatment in 1176 patients with histamine cephalalgia.
    Horton 1961 He raised the vasoconstrictive effect of oxygen in histamine cephalalgia.
    Kudrow et al. 1981 First systematic study on oxygen used for cluster headache.
    Fogan et al. 1985 Crossover study found that oxygen was more effective than room air.
    Cohen et al. 2009 Oxygen at 12 L/min, as well as at 7 L/min, was effective.

    Figure 1.

    Figure 1

    The possible mechanism of oxygen in cluster headache.

    Note: TCC: Trigeminal cervical complex.

     
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  19. Is it an airplane ride that starts setting off the attacks, or just travel in general?  Are your headache issues generally well controlled, or satisfactorily controlled, when you are not traveling?  Do you mind saying what meds you are using (in part, I'm curious about what works for both CH and HC, or whether you have to somehow treat each one separately)?

    Vitamin D regimen comes to mind as something that might help.  D3 regimen - ClusterBuster Files - ClusterBusters

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