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  1. I had a similar experience with seeds stopping working for me Jennifer. If I had it to do over I would crush them either with a mortar and pestle, manual pepper grinder, or the old "put them in a freezer bag and hit them with a hammer"method, since I've read here that those methods are supposed to be the least damaging to the active constituents.

    Here's something Ricardo posted recently at another thread about seeds no longer working.  Can't vouch for it myself . . .

    >>>The real thing I want to throw out there though, is something I've said over and over and kinda surprised no one else seems to have tried it.  Once you seem to be getting tolerance to the seeds, get a new batch, grind em up and soak them in cold peppermint tea for a few hours.  The peppermint tea is high in acetaldehyde, and according to our good friend (and my avatar) Albert Hoffman, the combination of LSA and acetaldehyde will make LSH--Which he said at low doses is indistinguishable from LSD.  Higher doses tend to give some people anxiety so I would start with a small amount and work you're way up (especially if you are an axious person to start with, I am not, and have taken damn high doses without any anxiety)  I can not attest to the chemistry behind all this, but what I can say is that it is a different drug (LSA makes me sleepy and kinda narcoticized, This stuff definitely did not make me sleepy--if anything got a slight stimulant effect from it, and it kept me up for 12 hours) and it seems to help my headaches.<<<


  2. t'boy, you might also mention to her that for lots of people, beer is a "trigger" -- it brings on CH attacks!  other kinds of alcohol, too -- but beer's definitely a big one.  of course, i imagine that she would already have noticed the connection if beer is a trigger for her (thing is, it's generally not a trigger for an episodic like her when she's not in a ch period, but it might be when she is).


  3. I am going to see if my DR. will proscribe oxygen. 

    Rob, have you done this yet?  As the other folks have told you, it's essential, a lifesaver.  You can read more (including some major journal articles you might want to show your doctor) here: http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cb/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1299901790

    Even as you're getting relief from using other strategies, oxygen is at the core of any CH sufferer's arsenal.

    Incidentally, regarding your question about cycles, if you're chronic, then you don't have the same kinds of cycles as people who are episodic.  Episodics have periods when they have CH and periods when they don't, and those periods are often referred to as "cycles."  Often these periods start up kind of slowly, or with some kind of warning as Jeff says, then things get worse, then the kind of wind down again.  Chronics generally don't have the "periods when they don't have CH" part, although there do seem to also be "cycles" within the experiences of chronics: http://www.clusterattack.com/blog/do-chronic-patients-cycle/


  4. t'boy, a lot of people have oxygen tanks but they don't have proper equipment.  they don't have regulators with high-enough flow rates; they don't have non-rebreather masks or they don't use the masks properly.  these days a lot of people are getting great results with higher flow rates than what i describe in my file (25-plus liters per minute) and with specially-designed masks and improved breathing techniques  you can see pictures of some of the items, and read more about the "advanced" or "power user" techniques at this very helpful file: http://www.clusterheadaches.com/O2/index.html

    if you can't get them to come on here and talk with us, can you take a look at their setups and see if they have regulators that go up to 15 or more and if they have the kinds of masks pictured in that file i just mentioned?  getting proper oxygen setups can make a huge difference.

    in case they already have the basic equipment and are using it properly but not getting good results, they might want to try the "power user" approach.  i'm not a power user -- i'm not an oxygen user at all; it's my daughter who has CH, and the "regular" methods have worked very well for her -- but there are power users here who can talk them through how to use oxygen more effectively.


  5. 15 lpm regulator arrived today along with a cheap non-rebreather mask...I'll get the optimask later...lost alot of hours at work this month, things are kinda tight. this should work for now. 

    thanks, wade.  for most people, what you have is sufficient.  some people suggest cutting off the strap on the back of your mask, so you don't keep breathing in O2 (and wasting it) if you fall asleep.  also, be sure that any open holes without valves on the sides of the mask are blocked when you breathe in, so you get only O2 and not air from the room. Here's what it says at the ch.com oxygen page (there's a photo there, too). You can read the whole thing at http://www.clusterheadaches.com/O2/index.html

    >>>Notice the little round white disks on the side of the mask.  These control the exhaled air, and the outside air.  If there is not one on each side, either tape over the other one, or (as I do) place your thumb over the holes, during an inhalation, and then remove the thumb during an exhalation.  If these valves are not present, or in good flexible condition, you will not get the full 100% oxygen that is required.<<<


  6. Chris1331 posted on another thread (see that post at end of this message), but I think a new thread is a good idea, so I'm starting one.

    Chris, there are many, many people here who have been through what you're going through, and they're now living normal lives that are relatively pain free, where CH might be an occasional reality but the beast has been greatly diminished in its ferocity.  You've shown great courage.  Now it's time to start getting better.

    I'm going to re-post parts of a message I just posted, because it's faster and it contains some essentials.  You can go from there with questions.  You meds do not all sound wise to me (is the imitrex injectable??), but others will comment on that.

    Most importantly, it doesn't sound like you have oxygen.  For 90-plus percent of people, a proper oxygen setup, properly used, will stop CH attacks within 15 minutes.  You can read more about oxygen here -- http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cb/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1299901790 -- but the main thing is for you to get a prescription for oxygen, or to get it on your own through a welding-supply company.  You need to contact your neuro immediately about this (preferably after reading the file I have linked to).  Since it's Friday, I'd recommend making the call today . . . but we're here to discuss it with you.  Except in very, very rare cases, oxygen therapy for CH has no side effects.

    You could also start right now trying something that has helped many, many people with CH, is inexpensive, and uses ingredients that can be found at any decent drug store or place that sells nutritional supplements -- probably in a grocery store.  Take the following every day: 10,000 International Units per day of vitamin D3, taken with food; 2 or 3 calcium citrate tablets per day, with or without food (ideally, these tablets should also contain magnesium and zinc); and 3,000-5,000 mg per day of Omega 3 fish oil, with food. That's it, except that many people find that a glass or two of lemonade or limeade per day with meals increases the effectiveness.  Many people start getting significant relief within a few days.  The levels I listed above are the "default" levels--they might wish to adjust according to their tolerance.  These are not "megadoses"--all are within standard recommended daily allowances except the D3, which is high but not inordinately so.  To read a great deal more about the D3 regimen, you could wade through the following thread: http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1291969416/0

    This D3 approach is almost certainly harmless, but given all your meds maybe you'd want to check with your doctor. It's inexpensive and effective for many people; you really should start it ASAP, in my opinion.

    In the short run, you can also try using "energy drinks" at the first sign of a headache.  RedBull and Monster are two popular brands: the main thing is to get plenty of caffeine and taurine, which those drinks contain.  For some people, catching a headache early and chugging down one of these drinks can stop a headache or keep it from getting as bad as it might have.  Lots of folks with CH have success with this.  Again, because of your existing heart-rate issues, it would be wise to check with your doctor about the effects of the caffeine and taurine.

    The major anti-CH strategy here, after oxygen, is "busting" with mushrooms, seeds, or other substances.  You can't really start that without "detoxing" from some of your meds (which don't seem to be that helpful, anyway). The oxygen, D3, and energy drinks you can all do without detoxing.  Lives -- including the life of my daughter and of many people here -- have been saved by this method, and by oxygen and D3.  If you want to know more about it, you could read the series of posts by TommyD in the "Clusterbuster files" section of this board, probably beginning here -- http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cb/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1290127865 -- and then going on to other posts of his.

    Keep talking to us.  Things are going to get better for you.

    ORIGINAL MESSAGE FROM CHRIS1331:

    I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO!! I now have been up for 48 hours straight with this latest CH. The hospital can do nothing. I am already on 8 different meds just to control them-neurontin,1600mg daily. Depakote 1000 mg daily. The CH's also affect my BP so I'm on propranolol which is also a beta blocker known to help with CH. Nadolol for my BP and chest pains because the CH's give me panick attacks. Xanax and Lexapro for the panic attacks, the neurologist also claims those meds are good for clusters too. And the imitrex which upsets my stomach so they give me phenigren to take for that. Sometimes I just want to give up but my family keeps me going.

     


  7. wonderful news, wade.  i think in some ways we all are not just gladdened by your success, but many of us actually feel your relief.

    I don't really know how much of this improvement is due to the bust or if it is just the natural end of the cycle.

    Wade, we hear this so much that I've come to think it's surely at least somewhat related to the busting . . . not that it really matters, as long as you're getting relief . . . and because we know that busting will stop or even prevent or delay your next cycle.

    re your wife: some people find that washing down the seed potion with cranberry juice or orange juice will relieve the bad taste.

    the question about oxygen is still in the air.  even if your cycle is ending, you might really want to get it now, or soon.  if you get a strong hit and you experience how smoothly oxygen erases it, you'll have less fear about future cycles, which is a big psychological boost.


  8. tomboy, that's a terrible, terrible story to which everyone here can completely relate.  and we know how to change it, pretty quickly, to a very different story of wellbeing and hope.  none of this kind of pain, maybe never again.  i'm not saying they'll be cured, but life will be completely different.

    i guess i should say that it definitely sounds like cluster headaches, and you say they have it . . . do they have a firm diagnosis from a doctor?

    first thing is that they don't seem to have an oxygen setup, which is the #1 treatment for cluster headaches.  for 90-plus percent of people, oxygen will stop CH attacks within 15 minutes.  you can read more about oxygen here -- http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cb/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1299901790 -- but the main thing is for them to get prescriptions for oxygen, or to get it on their own.  so you need to get back to us -- or get them on this board themselves -- about why they don't have oxygen (never been prescribed for them? "tried it" but don't think it works?).  do they have confidence in their doctors, so that they could go back to the doctor and request -- demand -- oxygen.  do they have medical insurance (this is not necessary--oxygen can be obtained without a prescription -- but it's good to know)?  like i say, if you could get one of them on this board, it would be good.  you have done a great deed for them by coming here.

    they could also start right now trying something that has helped many, many people with CH, is inexpensive, and uses ingredients that can be found at any decent drug store or place that sells nutritional supplements -- probably in a grocery store.  Take the following every day: 10,000 International Units per day of vitamin D3, taken with food; 2 or 3 calcium citrate tablets per day, with or without food (ideally, these tablets should also contain magnesium and zinc); and 3,000-5,000 mg per day of Omega 3 fish oil, with food. That's it, except that many people find that a glass or two of lemonade or limeade per day with meals increases the effectiveness.  Many people start getting significant relief within a few days.  The levels I listed above are the "default" levels--they might wish to adjust according to their tolerance.  These are not "megadoses"--all are within standard recommended daily allowances except the D3, which is high but not inordinately so.  To read a great deal more about the D3 regimen, you could wade through the following thread: http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1291969416/0

    Since doing this D3 approach is almost certainly harmless (though they could check with a doctor) and inexpensive and effective for many people, they really should start it right away.

    In the short run, they can also try using "energy drinks" at the first sign of a headache.  RedBull and Monster are two popular brands: the main thing is to get plenty of caffeine and taurine, which those drinks contain.  For some people, catching a headache early and chugging down one of these drinks can stop a headache or keep it from getting worse.

    The major anti-CH strategy here, after oxygen, is "busting" with mushrooms, seeds, or other substances.  They should come on here themselves if they want to try that kind of treatment.  Lives -- including the life of my daughter and of many people here -- have been saved by this method.  If you want to know more about it, you/they could read the series of posts by TommyD in the "Clusterbuster files" section of this board, probably beginning here -- http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cb/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1290127865 -- and then going on to posts of his.

    We are here to help them, and if necessary to help you help them.


  9. I haven't even thought about a headache in almost a month.

    Great to read this, Lt2. Thanks for coming back to report and share the SJW tip.  I hope others with SJW experience will add their knowledge.

    Love your icon--get the irony.


  10. wade, first thing to do, of course, is call your O2 supplier (have your wife do it, probably) and insist, demand, beg, whatever.  this is their job. call the doctor, too -- it seems surprising that he/she would refer you to such a poorly-prepared supplier.  you also need an m tank -- at least one -- as well as the e tank.  you'll go through the e tank in no time.

    even if the supplier does not have a proper 15 lpm or more regulator, they should have large tanks and non-rebreather masks.  the problem with getting a regulator from ebay is that they generally will not ship overnight or in any fast way. you can get overnight delivery of a regulator from some online places.  some are listed at the end of this file: http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cb/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?board=files

    (you will also see at that file that these kinds of problems with suppliers are not unusual at all.)

    alternatively, you can get large tanks and a regulator instantly at a welding supply place.  if there's a harbor freight store near you, for example, they will have it.  airgas store, too.  you'll want the mask (and maybe your supplier will get that to you), but there are workarounds for having no mask, too, i think.

    keep us fully informed and someone here will have strategies for quickly getting something working. 


  11. Thanks, Brew. Knowing now that the links themselves were not defective, I tried opening them from Internet Explorer instead of from Firefox, which is my primary browser.  They opened fine from IE, but still do not open from Firefox.  (Odd, because I think all the other features at this site, including links and attachments, generally work fine within Firefox.)


  12. But I could call at anytime and O2 will be delivered to my house. 

    Oscar, I would recommend not waiting until you're back in cycle (if you ever are) to get your oxygen set up.  So many frustrating problems can occur during the set up phase (see some described in this document: http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cb/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1299901790) that it's best not to have to deal with them while you're having headaches.

    Thank you for your great messages at this forum, for your inspiration, and for stepping in to help others.  You are greatly appreciated.


  13. No slinking required, DB -- happens all the time.  We're just very glad you're back.  I'm not sure what you mean, regarding oxygen, about "printing out the information from here," but what you definitely should be showing your neuro are the studies and reports from medical organizations that prove beyond a doubt that oxygen aborts cluster headaches, without side effects.

    I'm going to paste something from a longer file about O2.  You can read the whole file here: http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cb/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1299901790

    >>The effectiveness of oxygen as a CH abortive has been demonstrated in controlled medical research, and reported in prestigious journals.

    “High-Flow Oxygen for Treatment of Cluster Headache” Journal of the American Medical Association  http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/302/22/2451.full

    “Inhaled Oxygen and Cluster Headache Sufferers in the United States: Use, Efficacy and Economics: Results from the United States Cluster Headache Survey” http://www.docstoc.com/docs/62904898/US-Cluster-Headache-Oxygen-Survey-Early-Vie...

    In addition to looking over these documents yourself, I suggest that if your doctor is not receptive to prescribing high-flow O2, or if you don’t know if s/he will be receptive, you might print these out and provide them to the doctor in advance of your appointment.  Or at least bring them to your appointment—doing that helped my daughter finally get what she needed. (Some other “Thoughts about Talking to Your Doctor” are included toward the end of this file, in item 9.)

    Note also that based on this research the European Federation of Neurological Societies lists inhalation of oxygen as the abortive of choice for cluster headaches in its official guidelines.  The guidelines state: "The first option for the treatment of acute attacks of cluster headache should be the inhalation of 100% oxygen with at least 7 l/min over 15 min . . ."  (It also lists sumatriptan injections.)  You can read the guidelines here: http://www.guidelines.gov/content.aspx?id=10471 .  7 liters per minute is widely considered to be too low of a flow, however -- and the summary chart of recommendations within the guidelines says 15 lpm.<<<

    I think you are best off trying to use this kind of information to get oxygen.  If you choose, you might read the whole file, since the problems of getting a proper setup are often not over even when a doctor agrees to prescribe it.

    Also, on this page -- http://www.ouch-us.org/chgeneral/doctors.htm -- you'll find lists of doctors recommended by people with CH.  Often they will be more likely to understand oxygen and prescribe it.  Maybe there's one near you.

    Like I say, welcome back!


  14. zenchow, my daughter had 8s and 9s for several years (episodic, so we're talking about a total of a year or more) with nothing at all to treat them, except that sometimes she would chew on coffee beans.  oxygen and busting saved her life (and D3 now seems also to have been extremely beneficial).  some of us have a superstition about a jinx related to talking about being pain-free (PF), so i will only say that her life is completely different now.  you will make it. you will make it.


  15. thoro, the thing that's weird about the busting alternative, of course, is that if it was legal if would be the first preventive anyone tried, not the last.  Effective for most people; no real side effects . . . What more could you want?

    I suspect that some of our wonderful Scandanavian members might have advice for you about how to get busting materials.  We can all follow up then on specifics, based on what you decide.

    So many people have come here in the condition you're in and been returned to a very, and often completely,  normal life.  There is no reason why that won't also happen to you.

    I would also strongly recommend that you begin right now the simple, inexpensive vitamin D3 protocol that has helped many, many people quickly and also lastingly.  Take about 10,000 international units per day of vitamin D3, taken with food; 2 or 3 calcium citrate tablets per day, with or without food (ideally, these tablets should also contain magnesium and zinc); and 3,000-5,000 mg per day of Omega 3 fish oil, with food. That's it, except that many people find that a glass or two of lemonade or limeade per day with meals increases the effectiveness.  Many people start getting significant relief within a day or two.  The levels I listed above are the "default" levels--you might wish to adjust according to your own tolerance.  To read a great deal more about the D3 regimen, you could wade through the following thread: http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1291969416/0

    Best wishes for pain-free days ahead.  Stay strong; it's going to get much better for you.


  16. zenchow, i think everyone here can understand how you feel -- the pain, the fear, the exhaustion, the wooziness.  it's horrible.  AND IT WILL GET BETTER.  it might even become just a distant memory to you.  the oxygen will start changing things, and busting will almost certainly take care of the rest. 

    bejeeber is right -- order some rc seeds now.  they're not very expensive.  maybe you can also go for overnight delivery, or some relatively rapid delivery methods.  rc will do the job: in fact, to slightly disagree with bejeeber, there are some who think that lsa (the active ingredient in rc) is more potent or effective against ch than mushrooms.  our fearless leader, psiloscribe (bob wold), has said as much.  the problem is that it's hard to be very precise about dosing with rc because the seeds' strength varies, but if you take enough, that's not a problem.  i just don't want you to think that rc is a "second class" or "second rate" busting method.  here are some sources for seeds:

    http://www.ethnobotanicals.com

    http://www.iamshaman.com

    www.psychoactiveherbs.com

    www.shamansgarden.com

    and here are the names of some doctors who have been recommended by people with ch.  they might be your best bet for finding someone who understands ch and might help you get oxygen:

    Fayetteville:

    Dr. Joseph R. O'Connell (PCP)

    FirstCare Fayettevile North

    Fort Smith:

    Dr. William L. Griggs

    Southwest Neurological Institute

    Dr. Duane L. Birky

    Sparks Neurology Center

    Van Buren:

    Dr. R. Wendell Ross (PCP)

    Summit Medical Center - Cornerstone Clinic

    i'm sorry the D3 doesn't seem to be helping you, but i'd stick with it because it might kick in.  it's been quite good for quite a few people.

    know you have understanding friends here who will do all they can for you.  it's gonna get better.


  17. Just for future reference, there's an amazing number of books completely available for reading online at google books. http://books.google.com.  This particular book, however, is not available.  When I was compiling some links for this site, I found a bunch of books on google books (not recommending any of these, but here in case anyone's interested in seeing them). These, as you can see, are old . . . but there are lots of newer ones there also, so if it's something I just want to skim, I always look at google books to see if it's there.  Sometimes the whole book appears; or else you can use the search bar to find specific things you're looking for.

    LSD : A Total Study (1975, 900 pages)  Searchable at http://books.google.com/books?id=YFdqAAAAMAAJ&q=Lsd:+A+Total+Study&dq=Lsd:+A+Total+Study&hl=en&ei=nPkTTfzVDMH7lweXgYXkCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA

    Brain Systems, Disorders and Psychotropic Drugs  (1987, 556 pages) Searchable: http://books.google.com/books?id=VvZsAAAAMAAJ&q=Brain+Systems,+Disorders+and+Psychotropic+Drugs&dq=Brain+Systems,+Disorders+and+Psychotropic+Drugs&hl=en&ei=CPoTTb2zHcOclge5lNy6BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA

    From Neuron to Brain : A Cellular and Molecular Approach to the Function of the Nervous System  (1992, 808 pages)  Searchable: http://books.google.com/books?id=2A5rAAAAMAAJ&q=From+Neuron+to+Brain:+A+Cellular+and+Molecular+Approach+to+the+Function+of+the+Nervous+System&dq=From+Neuron+to+Brain:+A+Cellular+and+Molecular+Approach+to+the+Function+of+the+Nervous+System&hl=en&ei=8voTTaa5BIKdlgfK0tXWDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA

    Neuropharmacology of Serotonin (Oxford Medical Publications)  (1985, 300 pages)  Searchable: http://books.google.com/books?id=K49FAAAAYAAJ&q=Neuropharmacology+of+Serotonin&dq=Neuropharmacology+of+Serotonin&hl=en&ei=VfsTTeeiJYXGlQf-442CDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAQ

    Storming Heaven : LSD and the American Dream  (1998, 416 pages)  Searchable  http://books.google.com/books?id=clFOY2-E6CcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Storming+Heaven:+LSD+and+the+American+Dream&hl=en&src=bmrr&ei=y_sTTYmNFoG0lQffs7TGDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

    LSD, My Problem Child  (by Albert Hoffman; 1980, 209 pages)  Searchable: http://books.google.com/books?id=e5wQAQAAIAAJ&q=LSD,+my+problem+child&dq=LSD,+my+problem+child&hl=en&ei=NvwTTZ9YhaCUB9-vqIEM&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ

    5-Ht Agonists As Psychoactive Drugs  (1988, 308 pages)   Searchable: http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks%3A1&tbo=1&q=5-Ht+Agonists+As+Psychoactive+Drugs&btnG=Search+Books

    50 Years of LSD : Current Status and Perspectives of Hallucinogens : A Symposium of the Swiss Academy of Medical Sciences, Lugano-Agno (Switzerland,)  (1994, 238 pages) 

    Searchable: http://books.google.com/books?id=3s5vkfmXKNUC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Fifty+Years+of+LSD:+Current+Status+and+Perspectives+of+Hallucinogens&hl=en&ei=6_wTTeXMCYL7lwfwhPiHDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Fifty%20Years%20of%20LSD%3A%20Current%20Status%20and%20Perspectives%20of%20Hallucinogens&f=false


  18. I wouldn't describe myself as bored, Les, more just concerned (where's Mystina, too?), but I appreciate the thought and the stimulation.  I'd only add that there's another reason, in my opinion, why the medical complex thinks that verapamil and other drugs are effective CH treatments, which is that they prescribe them and then people don't come back.  So, must be working, right?  I remember once reading some study saying that doctors believe they are treating CH effectively, and I figured that must be the only reason why.  How many people have gone on to busting or licorice root or D3 or kudzu or melatonin or whatever and found that it's better relief than what the doctor gives them, or have chosen only to rely on O2 and energy drinks . . .  or, tragically, have given up altogether?  I'm pretty sure most don't then spend the money to "educate" their doctors about the failures of conventional treatments and the superiority of whatever alternative they have found, or if they've essentially given up, don't choose to get back on the drug roller-coaster.

    I tell every medical professional I meet (way too many!) two things: (1) about CH symptoms (so they're less likely to misdiagnose) and about O2; and (2) that I once had terrible bouts of "idiopathic" pancreatitis -- boy, that hurts, though not like CH of course -- that I finally, after five years, figured on my own out were caused by MSG.  In both cases, the usual doctor's response is a kind of bored, let's-get-back-to-the-subject tolerance of my rants, but at least they've heard me and, who knows, it might help somebody some day.

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