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  1. Hey Chris:

    I for one would run like hell from anyone who claimed a simple one size fits all answer to anything. Study after study has implicated chronic physiologic stress as a causative factor in many diseases and classes of disease. The pathways and how it actually happens is anything but simple. How the stress occurs in the first place and reacts with genetic and environmental factors is highly individuated. How it expresses is also determined by internal and external forces. The HPA axis is connected more or less directly with every organ system of the body and the endocrine function mediates and regulates pretty much every function we have. When chronic physiologic stress is applied to it, it really is not a big stretch to see that the effects could show up anywhere. I would think of it in terms of commonality, not oversimplification.

    The type of stress that Dr. Mate in particular talks about is not what we think of as stuff we all deal with; that is 'acute' stress, in reaction to events or situations. What he implicates, and again there is no single cause of this, is chronic physiologic stress ( not a 'concept', but actual, demonstrable physical changes) resulting from early environment, things like but not limited to abuse, abandonment issues, alcoholic parents, unresolved or underdeveloped emotional maturity, a whole raft of things. His point as I understand it is those issues, unresolved, manifest themselves as adult behaviors which are also dysfunctional, all of these things adding to the stress which is seldom if ever consciously perceived. The stress affects the HPA axis in particular (since it is emotional interface) resulting in expression in a variety of conditions. I believe his intent is not to oversimplify, but rather to show that trying to treat these different conditions without addressing this underlying 'commonality' is pointless. His evidence is extremely compelling. The book is called "When the Body Says No"; Gabor Mate, MD.

    I know the pendulum analogy is somewhat of a simplification as well, but trying to explain how the organism compensates by adding and removing receptor sites in response to long term meds, how metabolic pathways get modified or compromised and such seems unnecessarily complicated when the old watch fob does the same job. I think the underlying principle, that the body will always try to regain homeostasis, is sound.

    And anyone who has ever watched an episode of Kung Fu knows that all life is balance. Right, Grasshopper?

  2. Good morning. Hard for me to even visualize the vernal equinox right now as it is colder than a well digger's ass here, but I know its coming soon, so...

    1. Easy stuff first. Real good advice re: the O2. As abortives go, it seems to work for most people who do it right. I have no personal experience with it, but I like the idea of it on principle, and here's why: All abortive methods work because they block or minimize secondary effects which occur either as a a result of a hypothalamic-induced attack or if those same secondaries are acting as "outside in" triggers (environmental, or "allergic" type, more on this in a minute) which poke the hypothalamus, resulting in a full blower. Remember this; everybody's picture is slightly different but the patterns are identical: When you experience an attack, the areas the pain radiates to habitually (whether its eye tearing, nose running, sinus obstructing, muscle tension and pain, whatever) become part of the chronic pain feedback loop. These are the areas your personal set of triggers attack.

    Most abortives tend to be vasoconstrictors, like caffeine and O2. They work, but there is a price tag in terms of rebound. Your system will try to regain equilibrium, and the harder you push it one way the further the pendulum will swing in the other direction. Rebound can be almost instant or it can take hours and therefore be harder to identify, but trust me it always happens. It has to.

    And that is why I like the Oxygen; you ( I am surmising here, someone tell me if I'm wrong) only need use enough to abort an attack, and when you are done, it clears your body in about thirty seconds. I have heard users here say that sometimes there are rebound effects from O2, but caffeine seems to help that. As a charter member of the Juan Valdez appreciation society, I'm all about the caffeine.

    Anyway, in all seriousness, the O2 seems to carry less of a metabolic price tag than chemical abortives, and that I think is the best thing going for it.

    Second: This is important, and difficult. The importance of stress (not the regular kind) as a causative factor in many types of illness, including autoimmune diseases and cancers has been demonstrated repeatedly and has been known since Thracian physicians complained to Socrates in Plato's Dialogues that Greek doctors ignored it.. and that was in 200 BC. Trust me on this, the medical establishment has by and large not grasped the importance of this but it is going to be the holy grail. Cluster headache is no different, and in fact in my opinion this chronic physiological stress (which you can be and usually are completely unaware of ) is the commonality we all share.

    A study published in the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences in 1992 held that "Psychological factors such as uncertainty, conflict, lack of control, and lack of information are considered the most stressful stimuli and strongly activate the HPA axis. Sense of control and consummatory behavior result in immediate suppression of HPA activity."

    In short, it took a fancy study to prove that people are afraid of what they don't know and can't control. Duh.

    Actually, what it did establish was the absolute hard wired connection between feeling that you are in control and the suppression of crazed HPA activity. This is of interest to us.

    Believe me, I know how it is. I spent years and years wondering exactly how headaches would F up my day, and living in terror of the next attack.

    Now I don't like referring to CH as 'the Beast ' or 'the Demon' or such, even though I did it myself for most of my life. This is not something extrinsic to us; we are not attacked or invaded. This is us, and as hard as it might be to believe, love and acceptance are the principal necessary factors in removing it from our lives. But what is true from the psychological standpoint is the old adage that if you call a Demon (maybe subconsciously) he will come.

    I am trying to say here that it is the fear of the pain that is your biggest enemy. It is in a real sense much worse than the pain itself.

    And the point of that study? that "consummatory behavior' could immediately suppress the HPA activity. Knowledge is quite literally power. So again, Bjeeb's is right on the money.

    I'm sorry, I'm frigging preaching again and I told myself I wasn't going to do this anymore. It isn't even Sunday.

    Anyway, based on Sam's negative experience with the licorice root interacting with his diazepams, I would recommend that you not consider that an option. Ativan is pretty potent as benzos go and 1 meg is a relatively stiff dose.

    Once again, don't construe this as medical advice in any way, but my feelings re: the diazepam family are pretty well known. I think they suck. I know people love 'em, I have friends who love 'em. That's one of the less pleasant things they do: they are dependency inducing. They also (here's where I preach some more about rebound) have metabolic price tags attached that may not be terribly obvious.

    The smoking doesn't help. I lied to myself for years and years; I thought of it as 'first aid' for clusters; I understand. 

    If you wish to try the licorice root tincture as a modality, the ativan has to go. It is super hard to get off, I know, but if you are only taking one at night its more likely psych dependency in your case; which come to think of it is actually harder.

    But you have time to do these things. There are many very knowledgeable people here with experience in every aspect of this syndrome.

    You are most definitely not alone in this, and that should be a cheerful thought all by itself.

    You will be well. Later

    Les G

  3. Because I know that it is now buried deep I need to repeat this, so bear with me:

    Anyone considering trying licorice root tincture, if you are under a Doctor's care check with him/her FIRST.

    If you are taking prescription medications of ANY kind, check with the prescribing physician FIRST.

    If you can't do that check with a pharmacist, they usually know even better.

    Licorice root should NEVER be taken while using certain classes of drugs, including SSRI's, MAO inhibitors, corticosteroids, and many antidepressants, among others.

    It should not be used by people with hypertension, or renal problems, or pregnant women unless supervised by a physician.

    I cannot, should not, and will not give anyone medical advice, but I will tell you about this herb:

    It ain't chamomile. Licorice root has a powerful and damn near immediate effect on several interrelated body systems. Interaction with other drugs, while almost definitely not long term harmful, would certainly be extremely unpleasant. The glycyrrhizin is 50 times sweeter than sucrose, and it metabolizes rapidly. The active flavonoids are shaking hands with your hypothalamus in about fifteen minutes.

    I know all of us here are in the habit of self-medicating. That's why we're here, to help ourselves.

    I do not doubt that this tincture works, and works well. But it can curse as well as cure, so please, everyone, mind the warnings and be careful.

    Les G.

  4. Sam,, I did not see this post until now, and I'm afraid you didn't see the one I left on your your help thread before you went off line.

    I did not know about the oxazepam and the propanalol. They are both doubtless interacting with the tincture, and not at all in a good way. Please stop taking it AT ONCE and do not even think about trying it unless you are off those meds.

    You should stabilize, and please give yourself a break for a couple of days before you do anything else.

    I cannot give anybody medical advice; but I will say that even though I know those two drugs are frequently prescribed for cluster patients I don't think they are worth a cup of warm piss. They come with too much baggage; unless you are hypertensive lowering your blood pressure is a stupid idea as your body will inevitably try to compensate. And the diazepams slow your brain down, for Christs sake. Your brain doesn't like that. Just my opinion, but I think thats the source of your nighttime unpleasantness. And the Oxazepam is addictive, on top of everything else.

    Please, I am not in the least being critical of you. We will do anything to get away from the pain and too often we are victims of people who prescribe based on a sales reps' say so or drug company literature; or just to be perceived as doing something, even if its wrong. They seem to have forgotten that first line in the Hippocratic oath (Do no harm).

    Stop the tincture, give yourself a couple of days and see how you feel.

  5. Don't edit; the more complete picture the better.

    For what its worth:

    1. STOP taking the licorice tincture. Immediately. It is in the posts, somewhere back there: If you are under a doctor's care, ASK THEM FIRST. The oxazepam and any other diazepam metabolite can react unpredicatably with SSRIs, which the licorice undoubtably qualifies as,  and the licorice also inhibits downstream cortisol which the oxazepam also does. No wonder its not working for you.

    Also, the hypertension med (propranalol) is being compromised by the tincture which can elevate blood pressure.... I can't stress this enough, STOP taking it and do not resume while you are on these meds.

    Stay off the cannabis.

    The vivid dreams are, in my opinion, when your system is metabolizing out the anti-anxiety and pressure meds; thats why its in the middle of the night;;; Again; just my opinion but your medication history sounds like they are using you as a chemistry set. (Lets try this!).

    Everything you put in your body has a rebound effect associated with it, everything, no exception. They are sometimes difficult to see. Its Newtonian physics and its physiology.

    The pain at the base of your skull is not uncharacteristic, nor is the neck pain. What type of acupuncture are you getting? Trigger point, concentrating on your scalenes, your SCM muscle and the levator (upper back) would probably be of extreme benefit to you.

    Whatever else you so, please stop taking that tincture.

    L

  6. You got me thinking about my ultimate objectives, dammit, and as usual I can't relax and go to work without articulating this; not in as much detail as I would like but thats probably a good thing as I don't wish to bore anyone:

    1. We are unique, to my knowledge, in that we suffer from a completely non-malignant yet debilitating syndrome (not a disease) whose causation as yet defies positive identification.

    2. That was true; this is part projection and part prophecy: Research will demonstrate that the ultimate causation is emotional; stressor induced imbalance in the HPA axis. (This is FAR from saying it is "our fault", see some of my sources on this, particularly Mate). This same exact causative mechanism will be implicated in virtually all of the autoimmune diseases and most if not all cancers. This is already happening, although it is largely ignored by big science. It won't be forever.

    3. Because of our unique position, and the fact that we can be articulate about it (descriptive), and the additional criteria that what works is instantly observable without waiting years for study results, we make be perfectly positioned to be the catalysts in this field. Our suffering may ultimately be the key to ameliorating some of the plagues of the modern era.

    4. This stuff has helped me immeasurably: See some of the work of Dr. Gabor Mate ("When the Body Says No"), Dr. David Dawkins on healing and recovery, Dr. Candace Pert ("Molecules of Emotion").

    I really want us all to get rid of these Fing things.

    Oh, and I want to rule the world. Mwahaha.

  7. I would like to interest some prominent professional herbalists (she is both on that board and a former student of James Duke who wrote the bestseller "The Green Pharmacy", he's an internationally known ethnobotanist) with connections to schools and research bodies. I have fundamentally two objectives: 1) Am I crazy? Does this work the way I think it does. 2) If an article gets out there, other clinical herbalists will try it in practice and there will be even more feedback.

    My ultimate fantasy? That this will prove to be a safe, effective and inexpensive treatment for cluster forever beyond the grasp of the pharmaceutical industry.

  8. AN Update:

    I got in touch with a member of the board of the American Herbalists Guild; I have a meeting with her next week. She is pretty excited about this and thinks we can interest some people in following up. She wasn't totally surprised; she knew that licorice could regulate cortisol (She uses it as an antiinflammatory) but she was not really aware of the SSRI activity. I will keep you posted.

  9. Yeah, Sam, not only did they come back on the other side after two years, they came back chronic where before they were just heavy episodic.  And yes, I was righteously pissed.

    Sorry about the temps. If it makes you feel any better, I live on the western summit of the Allegheny Mountains and in Winter I don't see the sun for five months, and we get lake effect snow every frigging day.

    Sorry you are having problems, but they seem familiar to me.

    1. I was getting the night triggers, which had previously been hitting me three times a night. When I started the tincture I still got them, but the difference was the trigger woke me before the pain kicked in, so if I was flushing I got up for a minute and cooled down, did some acupressure or just 'breathing and blowing'; The pain (and I guess it hurt, just nothing like 'normal') would fade to nothing and in five minutes I'd be back asleep. It sometimes happened three times a night at two hour intervals, but it faded after about a week and a half. My suggestion is if you wake up thinking that you are triggering, treat it like you are and try to have faith that you will NOT convert to a full blower.

    2. The temporary side switch is not necessarily a bad sign. You are disrupting your pattern, thats a good thing.

    3. This whole series of hits sounds to me like what I call 'outside in'; environmental or allergic type triggers which when they would hit me would send me on twenty four hour sleighrides to hell. So I would ask you to consider if you have been exposed; also, and this could be painful advice, are you inadvertently triggering yourself.... I know I was in denial myself for 37 years, but when I finally stopped smoking I realized that I was rebound triggering myself with nicotine constantly. (I actually experimented on myself after I quit, I am that masochistic, and I was right.) I was in even more denial over pot smoking. I blamed the inevitable two-hour-or-less after hit on everything but the culprit, which I did NOT want to give up. (I already couldn't drink at all). I finally stopped, reluctantly, and all those hits went away. Bear in mind that ANYTHING which has vasoconstrictor or metabolic action will result in some degree of rebound; nicotine, caffeine, analgesics, etc. . and yes, fluorescents can be a big time trigger.

    4. Is this what you are doing:

        Whole plant extract ( root tincture ) 35-45% alcohol strength 1:5 (NOT DGL licorice.. it won't work)

        Take three doses daily, spread evenly, roughly thirty drops (2ml) each.

    5. If this is what you're doing, give it a few more days. Don't give up. It works best if you minimize your triggers. If you are still having problems, my first suggestion would be to cut the dose in half. We are all different, and the dose might be sensitive. If that doesn't work, you could, for the same reasons, start increasing the dose. A full extra dose would still be a reasonable amount of licorice.

    Let me know. Les

  10. Ectasy; at least MDMA, WAS being used for therapeutic purposes here in the US with terrific promise in treating a variety of psych complaints. And then, along with a whole raft of other tremendously useful drugs it was banned forever as having no medical value. No medical value???? just like LSD, psylocibin and cannabis.

    Because obviously, prohibition worked so well at cleaning up our alcohol problem.

    Anyone watching the antics of our elected officials for signs of intelligence (with rare and notable exceptions, of course) is probably not surprised.

  11. One more thought; this is really ragging me.

    The HPA axis, the endocrine system is a mechanism of such fragile sensitivity and perfectly nuanced crystalline complexity that it makes the most complex artifact of human technology look like a slinky.

    No one knows how it works, except in the crudest possible approximations.

    That modern medicine has pumped millions of people full of poorly understood drugs that act in uncertain ways in and on this system, creating consequences that are just now starting to be talked about and recognized, and creating an entire generation of compromised people is unconscionable.

    Poking it with a stick is even stupider.

  12. Terrific article thank you.

    I think Steven Jay Gould is full of shit though.... at the highest levels, there is no conflict whatever between science and spirituality.

    There are still lots of 'scientists' and 'eminent scientific bodies' out there who,  because of their own preconceptions and prejudice (which is of itself not very 'scientific') just completely ignore, denigrate or ridicule truth when it is presented to them.

    I did have some of the same discomfort at the use of the term 'Entheogen' by a drug company, and for many of the same reasons mentioned in the article. And the thought of what big pharma would do with psychedelics if they only could is apocalyptic. I liked this quote:

    “IÂ’m very unconvinced that the non-psychoactive cluster headache drug in question belongs in the category ‘entheogen.Â’ Furthermore, one mark of authenticity of a spiritual undertaking is that it is not organized for profit.  Time will tell.”

    I do think though, that whatever their motivation it is good that someone is finally doing something specifically for CH.

    What I want to know is, when they are done, how will it compare pricewise with real acid?

    Good article.

  13. "I have found chugging the Red Bull as I start the 02 seems to speed the abort time, and more importantly for me, seems to block the come backer attack I'm prone to within 10-20 minutes after shutting down the 02."

    Joe's experience with this is very illustrative:

    The caffeine stays at active levels far longer than the Oxygen and will inhibit the rebound when the O2 vasoconstriction wears off.

    What I have learned about aborting is that it is like pushing a pendulum: It will always swing just as far in both directions. The body will always try to balance and regain equilibrium, always. That is rebound. Cells and tissues learn, and responses become oversensitive, almost 'allergic'.Aborting becomes an art form where you want to do just enough, and no more than necessary because of the inevitable consequences. And that is ridiculously hard because I know when it starts you don't want to hit it with a rock you want to hit it with a frigging building.

    Look for abortive techniques that have NO metabolic price tag attached: breathing techniques, accupressure, cold packs, etc.. The payoff in reducing rebound hits (and I'd be willing to bet lots of us aren't even aware how many hits are rebound hits of one kind or another) is itself worth all this effort.

    Oxygen, as a therapy, probably induces fewer rebounds than most things because you can regulate precisely how much you need to abort and the effects dissipate almost as quickly as you remove the mask.

  14. "I am always skeptical of these peripheral procedures, however, because cluster headache is a central disorder."

    As well he should be. These guys are cave men trying to fix a Swiss watch with rocks and sticks. I'm not trying to be disparaging, just metaphorically accurate. "Ablation" by the way means permanent destruction. Let us always remember these are the very same guys who with trumpets blaring celebrated prefrontal lobotomy as a panacea cure for everything including conditions that they made up. We all know how well that worked out.

    It seems to me the more a brain researcher actually knows the more likely they are to state categorically that in the relative sense they know practically nothing.

    Cluster headache will not be cured with a knife.

    Just my opinion.

  15. "I am always skeptical of these peripheral procedures, however, because cluster headache is a central disorder."

    As well he should be. These guys are cave men trying to fix a Swiss watch with rocks and sticks. I'm not trying to be disparaging, just metaphorically accurate. "Ablation" by the way means permanent destruction. Let us always remember these are the very same guys who with trumpets blaring celebrated prefrontal lobotomy as a panacea cure for everything including conditions that they made up. We all know how well that worked out.

    It seems to me the more a brain researcher actually knows the more likely they are to state categorically that in the relative sense they know practically nothing.

    Cluster headache will not be cured with a knife.

    Just my opinion.

  16. Some more general information:

    In response to some questions I hit the research some more and I am now fairly convinced of two things:

    1. DGL licorice tinctures, that is those with the glycyrrhizin removed will NOT work. The phytoestrogens which I believe to be the effective components here are compounds called flavonoids, and are derivatives of glycyrrhizin.

    2. For similar reasons, I suspect that glycerates, tinctures in which the alcohol has been replaced with glycerin, will also NOT work. My reasoning here is that the alcohol is heated off a regular tincture to make the glycerate, and I believe the heat is damaging or inactivating in some way those same flavonoids.

    Just for fun, want to see some of the hot stuff I've been plowing through? Its amazing this doesn't cause a full blower by itself. Here's a small taste:

    The results demonstrated that the isoflavans glabridin and 4'-O-methylglabridin (4'-OMeG) and the isoflavene glabrene inhibited serotonin re-uptake by 60, 53 and 47%, respectively, at 50 µM, whereas resorcinol, the isoflavan 2'-O-methylglabridin (2'-OMeG), and the isoflavones genistein and daidzein were inactive. The inhibition of serotonin re-uptake is dose dependant with glabridin and estradiol. These results emphasize the importance of the lipophilic part of the isoflavans, as well as the hydroxyl at position 2' on ring B. In conclusion, this study showed that several isoflavans are unique phytoestrogens, which like estradiol, affects the serotonergic system and inhibits serotonin re-uptake and, thus, potentially may be beneficial for mild to moderate depression in pre- and postmenopausal women.

    Hot damn. Nothing quite like trying to remember biochemistry from 40 years ago. Here is a slightly friendlier one:

    9. Licorice Root. While scientists believe that most forms of depression are caused either by neurotransmitter uptake, increased MAO levels, or both, they have just begun to realize that licorice root (Glycyrrhiza glabra) can be extremely beneficial when battling depression."

    Dr David W Tanton, Ph.D., Antidepressants, Antipsychotics, And Stimulants - Dangerous Drugs on Trial

    I am virtually sure that energetic or stressor-induced imbalance in the HPA axis (hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal) is the proximate cause of cluster headache. This plant goes right for it like a bee to a honeysuckle. The licorice works on the exact same receptors that hallucinogens do. Any modalities other than these two are simply palliative; they will address symptoms which are secondary.

    My own situation remains stable. I am still pain free. I have only taken the tincture a few times, either in advance of being exposed to environmental triggers or after the same when I felt a little dicey. I still (increasingly rarely) feel the triggers (I guess the same thing some of you refer to as 'shadows') but its' ridiculous...I actually have confidence that they won't turn into scream attacks, and they haven't.

    I'll keep you posted.

  17. Hi Dan. 1:1 would make it a very high potency extract. I'm trying to guesstimate a dose...

    Try this: 8 drops in about an ounce of water. You should notice an appreciable lift in mood in about twenty to thirty minutes. I'm not at all sure of the strength of what you have, so watch for any unpleasantness.

    If you are ok with that, you can repeat this three times daily, spaced evenly. I would recommend the last dose at least two hours before you wish to go to bed.

    If you do have any adverse effects, don't freak out they will pass, and it would feel like a mild hangover. In that case, cut the dose in half. If on the other hand you don't get any positive result, you can start walking it up.

    I'm just not positive due to not knowing what you're working with there, but try it and we'll see.

    Let me know, I'll be here.

    Les

  18. Ron is absolutely right. The more EFFECTIVE weapons you employ, the better your odds.

    That certainly includes a neurologist with experience treating CH or better yet a headache specialist , diet and exercise, guidance in trigger avoidance, and certainly getting off those meds that sound like they are causing chronic edema and vasal thrombosis.

    And please remember what was said above, and now I'm even more convinced: Taking licorice root on top of those meds could be downright dangerous.

    Oxygen as an abortive would probably be a better option in the short term.

    But Ron's suggestion to get a GOOD doctor is absolutely vital.

    Les

  19. For Geordie Lass: Please be cautious re: the Verapamil. Licorice root tends to raise blood pressure, and after nine years on it the interaction could be scary. Did your son have hypertension issues originally, or was the prescription specifically for the CH? I would STRONGLY suggest you check with the doctor prior to considering using the tincture. Additionally, I would also humbly suggest getting him the hell off the Verapamil. It does nothing, capital N nothing to alleviate cluster headaches. It is an off label use of a drug only marginally good at what it's SUPPOSED to be used for.

    I would also venture a guess that nine years of oral sumatriptan has not really made a dent in the headaches either, but it could be causing a lot of collateral issues.

    I am just surmising, of course, but I assume if either of these chemicals was working for him you wouldn't be here. You probably want to call the doctor on the carpet for this, too. Nine years of ineffective drug therapy is just burdening the body for no good reason I can see.

    I apologize for semi-ranting and I in am in no way being critical of your son for taking these meds, just the doctors for continuing to prescribe them.

    Anyway, to repeat cause its important: please check with your doctor regarding the drug interactions before thinking of using the tincture. Licorice root has a potent and immediate effect on blood pressure.

    Best to you both. Les G

  20. For Geordie Lass: Thats the stuff. Glycyrrhza Glabra is the 'scientific' name.   Please refer to the earlier posts on this thread for contraindications, proper dosage levels, etc.

    For anyone really worried about the alcohol, the tincture also comes as a "glycerate"; the alcohol has been cooked off ( you're right P.) and replaced with glycerin. Should work the same. They are available from the same places that sell the alcohol tinctures.

  21. prolosam: I think you are being smart to parse out the tincture until you are sure how it will react with your meds, which I am not familiar with. The skullcap is a very effective nervine, it is somewhat sedating (non drowsy, not like valerian) and it is anti-anxiety and considered effective in treating addictions. You barely notice it until you realize you are not all that chuffy. Again, I don't know how that would react with the stuff you are taking.

    Trigger point acupuncture is f-ing marvelous. It totally defeated my clusters (when they were on the other side of my head) eight years ago. Then they came back worse on the other side, and I am now three states and 400 miles from the acupuncturist, who is a true wizard.

    I'm gratified you're having good results. Don't worry about it being 'psychological'. The highest reality is in your head.

  22. By the way, on a personal note I should report that I am still PF... I have had a few close calls, as previously noted, and I have taken single doses of the tincture as preventative.

    I am feeling that the triggering has been mostly environmental ( I am frequently exposed to dust, smoke & other annoyances) and because of the cell memory of those things, they are going to take a while to figure out how to fix. I have still not had anything even resembling an attack.

    I have not heard back yet from my herbalist contact, but they are still on semester break. I will go looking for her the old fashioned way if I don't get a reply to the email soon.

  23. For prolosam:

    If you try the tincture & it doesn't work for you, it will clear your system in eight hours or less if you want to bust with the shrooms. I had similar results with mushrooms, although I confess it was accidental (and recreational). After taking a psychotropic (not full psychedelic) dose, I just knew I wouldn't trigger and enjoyed the hell out of myself; but the free pass ended with the effect of the dose. I repeated that particular experiment four times or so, with similar results. It was coincidental for me; that was before I got back on the grid, started doing research & found this place. All part of the circle I guess.

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