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Paroxysmal Hemicrania -> Day 4

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I am unfortunately back in a new attack cycle. 4th day now although I did not have  much problems with it and could function normal as indomethacin did a good job of stopping it.

Yesterday however, I took the last 50 mg in the afternoon so its working must have been finished overnight as around 6 am, I woke up from quite heavy subsequent attacks, hellish pain in my right eye and my nose stuffed I could barely breath. Tried to sleep a bit but could not and 8 am finally got up to have my breakfast with another 100 mg indocin. We are now 9:30 and the stuff starts to work. Pain in the stomach and dizziness is increasing but the headache is proportionally diminishing. No more attacks and the sharp continue pain in my eye is fading away. So all by all it is going to be an OK day but I don't know how many days more. It's getting time this cycle is over. Good we have a holiday tomorrow and Tuesday (Belgian national day)!

I am still trying to find a good trade-off between indomethacin intake and overall health. I take as less as possible but over the last year, my kidney function has diminished a little bit from 90 % to 81%. Doctor say its perfectly OK and no worries to take the indocin but my gut feeling tells me I better be careful. I try to take as less as possible and follow the guidelines from the hospital: Not more than 3 subsequent days and maximum 150 mg.

Oxygen does a terrific job on the migraine (very unusual) and zomig does an OK job but no way as effective as the indomethacin. I tried Imitrex injections lately and was very disappointed. It did not do anything and if I would have injected myself with 6 mg hot water, effect would have been similar.

My vit D levels are around 85 ng/ml so a good range but it does not make any difference on my headache situation.

All the best and courage to all those who struggling with a primary headache condition !

siegfried

 

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Siegfried, would it be worth it to try any of these supplemental or alternative treatments?  

https://americanheadachesociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Hemicrania_Continue_June_2015.pdf

"There are alternative medications that can replace indomethacin if needed, but unfortunately they are not perfect for treating hemicrania continua. Sometimes they can supplement a lower dose of indomethacin if that is all that is tolerated. Melatonin is a natural hormone with a chemical structure similar to indomethacin. A few people have had a complete response for their HC with melatonin alone, but more often they have been able to get relief with a lower dose of indomethacin while taking the melatonin. Alternative medications that may replace indomethacin, if it cannot be taken at all, include gabapentin, topiramate, verapamil, and cox-2 inhibitors (anti-inflammatories less likely to cause stomach bleeding). Even onabotulinumtoxinA, commercially known as Botox (Allergan, Irvine, CA, USA), has been tried in cases where other options failed or were not tolerated. Nerve blocks, injected at the back of the head on the same side as the pain, can be performed with long-acting anesthetics. Rarely, a nerve stimulator is placed with leads extending over the back of the head or neck, providing continuous low-level stimulation to the area."

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Seigfried, I was just reading this for another reason, and saw this info about an apparent way of treating HC.  Maybe it doesn't fit for PH, but I felt I should mention it.

https://jmedicalcasereports.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13256-019-1986-y

"....  Patient 1, an 82-year-old Caucasian woman, presented with hemicrania continua with a partial Horner’s syndrome that was present for 2 years. She was unable to take indomethacin as she was on anticoagulation. After a C2–3 diagnostic facet injection, not only did she become pain free but her ptosis completely resolved. She then underwent a radiofrequency facet neurotomy with complete alleviation of head pain ...."

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17 hours ago, CHfather said:

would it be worth it to try any of these supplemental or alternative treatments?

Hi CH Father !

Thanks a lot for your responses and references !

Yes I read about melatonin before as treatment for HC and PH but haven't paid attention to it. So I think it is really worth trying and I will get melatonin and see what it does. 

I am on day 5 now and I feel it is running to it's end but the migraine is making it's entrance now. I know how to handle that one. So for indomethacin, I got the following:

Day 1 -> 100 mg, Day 2 -> 150 mg, Day 3 -> 150 mg, Day 4 -> 175 mg, Day 5 -> 25 mg. And that should be it for this time. In my experience, coverage from indometacin takes around 6-7 hours and so during the gaps between two doses, the PH tends to reappear.

I also know about GOM nerve block with medrol and lidocaine however it's a bit strange here. From the two major hospitals where I am for follow-up, one is doing it as a standard procedure and the other one not. I asked why and it seems to be a decision to go with a certain procedure or not. They will have their reasons why they don't do it.

What I also experience is that the indometacin becomes more effective the longer I take it. This seems to be in line with most hemicrania patients that can diminish their doses over time. 

Thanks again and all the best !

siegfried

 

 

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hi,

I suspect your system is infected with some virus

better check :)

 

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Hey Siegfried,

A vitamin D3 level of 85 ng/mL only helps a little over 50% of CHers prevent their CH. The rest need higher 25(OH)D3 serum concentrations up to 180 ng/mL as illustrated in the normal distribution chart of 25(OH)D3 labs reported by 257 CHers who reported a favorable response to vitamin D3 in the online survey.

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Granted, this data is from cluster headache sufferers not people diagnosed with hemicrania continua (HC).  That said, there is ample evidence that HC shares most of the same pathophysiology as CH which means it should respond to the anti-inflammatory regimen with therapeutic doses of vitamin D3.  I've worked with two HC sufferers who responded to the anti-inflammatory regimen.  Both took the Bio-Tech D3-50 50,000 IU water soluble vitamin D3 at one 50,000 IU capsule/day for at least two weeks before experiencing a significant and lasting reduction in the severity of their HC.  They also took the Methyl Folate + vitamin B complex, which like the Bio-Tech D3-50 has a higher bioequivalence.

As you've already noticed, indomethacin is hard on the stomach and GI tract due to bleeds.  If you do continue taking it, experienced headache specialists familiar with indomethacin side effects suggest acid-suppression medicine due to this gastrointestinal side effect.

Take care and please keep us posted.

V/R, Batch

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Hello Batch,

That is weird. After my results came in, I got a call from the doctor my Vit D levels were too high and asked me to stop immediately with supplementing Vit D.

I took my results then with me on my consultation with the headache specialist and there they said the same. Value is OK they say but should not go higher than that. So I did what they asked me and I stopped. I will restart supplementing again after the summer. 

I take indomethacin with pantoprazole most of the time.  

siegfried

 

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Siegfried,

What was your 25(OH)D3 serum concentration?  Here are my labs for serum 25(OH)D3, Calcium and PTH over the last three years.

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My PCP understands calcium homeostasis and that I keep my 25(OH)D3 serum concentration this high to prevent my CH during periods of high pollen and mold spore counts.   Accordingly, he has no problems with it being this high as long as my serum calcium remains within its normal reference range and as you can see, it has.  Did your PCP run labs for your serum calcium and PTH?

Take care and please keep us posted.

V/R, Batch

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On 7/19/2020 at 4:53 PM, CHfather said:

Melatonin is a natural hormone with a chemical structure similar to indomethacin. A few people have had a complete response for their HC with melatonin alone, but more often they have been able to get relief with a lower dose of indomethacin while taking the melatonin.

I am taking melatonin now for a month. I don't know if accidental or not but it looks like headaches are gradually getting better. We have now again a period of unstable weather (it normally get bad then) but headaches stay very moderate - easier to handle. Yesterday it was a bit bad again but just 50 mg indomethacin was sufficient to get painfree for the rest of the day. Side effect of melatonin are very vivid dreams. 

So, Thanks for this recommendation !

siegfried

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