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Big Update: Dec 4th all day was painfree Today was also my new dosing day after waiting 5 days. So I chose this time since I had purchased them to go with 7 Hawaii Rose. I crushed them with pliers and hit with a hammer. I had a fair amount of chunks. Left in wine for 3 hours. Strangely When I returned home around 8:30pm I started with another shadow that would not go away. Finally it went full blown after an hour at around 9:45 into a Kip 7. I used no abortives. I had guests over so I could not go crazy cardio. Worst headache in days strangely it went full blown exactly 5 days after my first dose. I drank the wine and ingested as many seeds as possible while headache was in full force. I became extremely nauseous. Now on to the effects. I awoke around 12am and was nauseous again. I was up all night unable to sleep and feeling very dizzy. Unpleasant feelings for an hour. Not hallucinating but feeling very strange. I attempted to sleep for the next 4 hours but could not sleep until 6am. Dec 5th: No headaches all day I have had a shadow and it feels like something wants to break through for the last hour. I have never had so many constant shadows as I do this cycle.

It was a package of 50. I intended on using 40 but some were caught in the grinder. I could not grind the seeds fully so I then put the other 10 in the package in with the 40 and crushed them with a hammer.

I began my clusterheadaches a few years before your son had them. I am one of the few people who had gone through every one of their cycles without any medical treatments or medications. This went on from 11-26 years old and it was the most painful memory throughout those years of my life. My parents were getting divorced at the time and never really went out of the way to bring me to the proper doctors. Ironically my mother had cluster headaches but she has so many other thyroid issues that after having her thyroid burnt out she started having the cycles ever 2 years and for shorter intervals. Then she had menopause and it was 4 years without any headaches so she thought she was in the clear UNTIL last week. Oddly her Cycle started on Nov 21st and mine on the 23rd of November. Now I am the one educating her on Imitrex but she still refuses to take it.   What I am trying to say is please get your son treatment if the doctor agrees it would be safe. Since a kind fellow CH sufferer gave ma a few imitrex nasal sprays 4 years ago I finally believed there was relief for this monster. When trying to understand the pain the best way to envision it would be an "Ice Cream Headache" at the peak of it's pain that will not subside for 30-45 minutes with the feeling your teeth are pushing themselves out through the gums and a touch of leprachaun behind your eye stabbing you with a mini sword. 4-5 of these a day then causes mental drainage and the inability to work out of lethargy and fear of sleep.  You know how in Nightmare on Elm Street all the teens are afraid to fall asleep because Freddy will get them? It is the same thing except Freddy does not kill you and only stabs you for 45 minutes nearly night. Imitrex works for me. It aborts all of my headaches as long as it is not in pill form. I will say though that this is the first time I have ever tried to RC Seed treatment and I cannot believe I am saying this but it is working   As of now my headache cycle is all but busted. THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED FOR ME IN ALL MY CYCLES. Even with imitrex I have always had to ride out the 6 weeks. My cycle appears to be completely halted now after only 9 days.   I only tried this method finally because I am going to the Caribbean in 2 weeks and did not want to have it ruined by a cycle and fusing with Imitrex.  Best of luck. I wish my mother had gotten me Imitrex as a child but she never did any research. I have never used oxygen but from what I read most with CH over the years swear buy it for relief and abortion. I am sure it works.

Dec 3rd: Pain Free all night once again. No wakeups. Morning Shadow around 7am Painfree the entire day and evening Once again it felt like a few small attempts to turn shadows on the other side of my head which is strange but nothing. Dec 4th: Pain Free night Now 8 am and nothing thus far. I will dose again tomorrow

I drank 3 wines today. No headaches. Amazing

OK Update Nov 29th: 7am The morning Kip 8/9 3pm - 5pm: Resilient Kip 3 shadow that would not manifest into anything although I could feel attempts to breakthrough No headaches remainder of night Nov 30th: Completely perfect PF night Around 3pm and 7pm long shadows that could not breakout for a headache. Did a beer test a 7pm and no headache Dec 1. Could feel attempts to breaktrhough on other side of head a few times throughout the day but no go Finally 3pm 2 hour shadow finally broke the Kip 3 to attain about a 7 for only 10 minutes. I did heavy cardio and headache subsided. It was my girlfriends birthday so we went out to eat and I had 2 drinks. I had a shadow at 10pm for 30 minutes. Breakthrough for 20 minutes of pain to a Kip 6 but then subsided. Pain free all night Dec 2nd: Completely pain free night. No wake ups. The occasional Kip 2 shadow attempt by the beast to manifest into something more but nothing stuck. I have had 2 glasses of wine and it is now 6pm. Zero Pain. I will redose on Saturday Night. So far I am impressed

I have to amend this my 7am Kip4/5 that was tapering for 10 minutes transformed into a killer Kip 8/9 that was the strongest I have had since my cycle started last week. It was also the longest lasting. Side note on the morning after the seeds.This is the first time I was incredibly nauseous during a cluster headache because of my movement and rocking. I can only assume it has to do with the RC seeds ingestion last night. Is it normal to have headaches after first dose of this intensity?

OK. Here is the update: Nov 28th 8:55 Ground up 40 RC seeds. Soaked in 2oz wine and splash of OJ. Drank 10:45 in 2 gulps. No psychedelic feelings whatsoever. I had fasted for about 5 hours previously.An hour in ingestion I got a kip 3 which was aborted in 10 mins with cardio Nov 29th: Slept well last night but was awoke at 7am with a Kip4/5. Did some cardio. Pain subsiding after 15 mins now.

Thanks sir. Ingestion time in 20 minutes. I ground them up as best as possible with a grinder but still was a little gritty so I wrapped in foil and took a hammer to it but I would not consider it a "fine powder". Can the RCs be ground up as is? I was under the impression the Hawaii needed to be broken up with pliers and pulp extracted.

Thanks. It is a massive trigger for me but I read it is a good extract. Question: 1) Can I combine HRW seeds and RC in one dose? 2) Should I just try the hawaii if I see no RC results in 5 days with my next dose. Also I read just now that melatonin may not be good to take with RC as part of detox. Did not know that and have taken 2 pills since I started my cycle.

Sorry AO did not hear from anyone so I got anxious read the files and just tossed the RCs in the grinder.40 of them and crushed as finely as possible and they are now sitting in 2oz wine

Please someone assist me with how to prep the RC Seeds. I will be beginning a journal today but first here is my backround. I am a first time seed attempter. 29 Years old male Suffering with Cluster Headaches since I am 13 Inherited them from my mother. I had spent the first 14 years of my life dealing with my annual and occasionally every other year cluster cycle. Usually they would appear in early spring or mid fall. I began using Imitrex injections for the first time during my last cycle 2 years ago (Got very lucky and had 2 years of PF for the first time in years. My cycles usually last 6 weeks. And they ramp up from shadows kip 3-4s seldomly first week to max pain weeks 3-4 without weakening by 5 & 6. Cycle Started Nov 23rd 3am Wakeup kip 4 Nov 24th no headache Nov 25th mild shadows Nov 26th. 8am kip 4 9pm Kip 6 Nov 27th 3pm Kip 5/6 Nov 28th mild shadow turned into kip 4 and was aborted with heavy cardio at 5pm I have the grinder all ready to go. I have not used any Imitrex because I know I cannot use meds. I took some sudafed because I have a cold also. Why do I need to soak seeds? Thanks in Advance.

What has yielded the best results for many of you folks? This is Day 1 of my cycle so I plan on keeping a journal. First attempt at seeds with a 19 year affliction.

Thank you Ron I have been reading them. Which seeds are most recommended? Is there a specific site on the list which you have had better results with?

First time on this site and I need to try other methods. I have been a Ch episodic since I was 10 years old and have had an amazing almost 2 years of Pain Free after having a hellish previous 2 cycles only a rare 5 months apart. Anyway my only fear was beginning my cycle right about now which would start to ramp up and effect me while on vacation in Christmas. Well I just got my 3:00 am wakeup call and the monster is back. Well I have used Imitrex injection in the past but if I anyone can have a heart at briefly explain how these alternatives methods work and how I can purchase them ASAP to perhaps abort this cycle I would appreciate it. I am proposing to my girlfriend while on vacation and would prefer it not to be ruined. Thanks