damiano Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 So for the past 6 days I stayed clear of all meds. Verapamil, Imitriex, etc... I drank a lot of water, ate pretty clean, "chicken rice"... I was able to get a hold of some meds B+ strain and last night for the very first time in my life went on a trip. I am 40 years old and have gotten to the point that I would do anything to abort the worst cycle of my life so far, (about 20 years). I haven't had a drink in years due to fear of a ch. lol I am always the designated driver. As I was saying I had never done anything other than Pot in my life and the occasional drink. My doctors office called me friday to let me know that they were going to call in a new rx of indomethacine and were trying to get my insurance company to authorise more imitrex. But like I said I stayed strong and didn't use anything for 6 days. I did have tons of red bull tho. My body has been sore, I have scabs on my skull from pulling my hair out and I have just been a tired dude. My wife and I thought about this option for many days, then we said I would do anything and my wife said its organic, it grows from the ground - try it. So I planned out the night ahead of time. I had a light dinner of chicken burrito a red bull and some water. Around 8 PM I weighed out 1.4 grams and began to eat the medicine - I chewed really well and ground with my back teeth. I waited about 35 minutes or so and wasn't having much of an affect. So I weighed out another gram and down it went. I had pre-loaded my ipod with some nice mellow relaxing music (pink floyd). About 20 minutes later I had a very nice relaxing level 2 maybe 2.5 lol....I laid down in our room with my wife and my head was almost numb in a way. My left nostril opened up all of the way and at the time I would be going through a hit, my head felt like a tingle sensation almost cold in a certain areas where the pain would usually be. Then It felt almost like I was being pinch behind my eye rather than a hot rod poking my brain out. I am going to be very honest with all of you, I enjoyed the trip, it was so relaxing and really cleared my head, I didn't think or was thinking about when the next hit was going to come, I laid back, put my headphones on, started my ipod and listened to an amazing album by pink floyd that not a lot of people know of called zabriskie point. Soon after a few hours I fell asleep, about 4 in the morning I was up with a bad hit, I raced downstairs to my fridge slammed a red bull and within 5 -7 minutes it was gone, but it was more painful than the past few days. So far today I have been hit free, however about an hour ago I was hit with one that lasted for about 15 minutes. I slammed a small red bull and that's all I have had today. As I am writing this I have a very light shadow with the tingle sensation. It feels ok. This is the best I have felt in several weeks, come to think of it, in a long time. I thought and concentrated more clear than in a long time today, I had smile as well. I will be doing a dose again on Friday - and then if need be another one after that and then maintenance doses. To be very honest I sure wont mind doing it again. It was very enjoyable and a great experience. I plan to start a garden soon as in a few weeks. Thanks to all of you who have provided all of this great advice and the FAQ page especially. I followed the advice on here and was very impressed with my results. Should anyone want to contact me and ask me questions or anything of the sort, feel free to do so. Like I said I am a 40 year old man that is a pretty successful person and have never done something or considered doing something like this before. I would not ever hesitate to be more open to ideas ever again when it comes to alternate medications such as this. The power of healing from mother nature is pretty powerful. This should be legalised ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleyoop Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Great post damiano, and glad to hear of your success. :) Next time, maybe give the tea a go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damiano Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 Great post damiano, and glad to hear of your success.  :) Next time, maybe give the tea a go? I just might try it that way. The part that I am frustrated with is that they didnt go away completly yet... I am thinking I will need at least one more dose to abort this cycle. Last night after I posted my original post I was hit with a kip-8 to a kip 9, it lasted the longest I have ever had, it was almost 3 hours long then after that I actually fell asleep and slept all the way through the night for the first time since I started this cycle. I am thinking that because I didnt start to bust until my second week of the cycle it would be normal to expect to have to dose again? By the way I also watched the Nation Geo show that had Dan in it. Great show. I am looking forward to busting again later this week to see if I can abort this cycle for good and then start maintenance doses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleyoop Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 It may indeed take a second or subsequent doses to completely end your cycle. But the long high kip hit that you had is what we call a post dose hit. They tend to be different from your normal pattern, and are often more severe. The good news is that you should start to see some PF time now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damiano Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 It may indeed take a second or subsequent doses to completely end your cycle. But the long high kip hit that you had is what we call a post dose hit. They tend to be different from your normal pattern, and are often more severe.  The good news is that you should start to see some PF time now. I am so glad to hear that! I thought to myself and even cried out loud "why isnt this working", it was not at the typical time that I had it, it was longer than any hit I had ever had but I feel really good today. I didnt get my typical 6:15 wake up call from the beast. It was not a typical hit to say the least and it was with me for almost 3 damn hours and it was intense - it didnt do the typical ending how they normally do either, it stayed with me but it was a pain where i could sit still and actually lay down, it was like a kip-1 or 2 i kept asking when it was going to finally end in fact. Generally after an hour and half it normally drains away and I get back to normal, but this sucker hung on for a long time. I am glad to hear that this is more than likely the ending. I remember in past cycles having that one major major one and then they would start to fade away and go dormant. It was almost like this in a sense but I really did think this isnt going to end wow, I even told my wife, this isnt normal how long this one is hanging around for. I did have some shadows yesterday as well, and did feel hung over, dizzy more than anything else but I drank a red bull and took one excederin. I have still not taken any meds as of today, no verapamil, no imitriex, no nothing. You know one thing I remember doing while tripping was flipping off (giving the bird) to my doc and to the phramacy and then laughing to myself that I wont need to take that crap anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleyoop Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I'm sorry, but did you say you have an oxygen set-up? It will make a huge difference and allow you to deal with post dose hits, by aborting them in under 15 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damiano Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 I'm sorry, but did you say you have an oxygen set-up? It will make a huge difference and allow you to deal with post dose hits, by aborting them in under 15 minutes. Awesome, I will give this a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damiano Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 I'm sorry, but did you say you have an oxygen set-up? It will make a huge difference and allow you to deal with post dose hits, by aborting them in under 15 minutes. In your opinion, would you stay away from the meds now that I have gone this may days without them, I was wondering if i should try to add verapamil back into my system or if i should just stay away from the meds all together and dose again and if need be dose again after that. I was reading that verapamil seemed to be ok but I was thinking that if i could stay off all the pharmaceuticals it might be better for me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleyoop Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 IMHO, now that you have left the traditional meds behing, I would not go back, including the verap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damiano Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 IMHO, now that you have left the traditional meds behing, I would not go back, including the verap. I will go without them and try to stay free of the meds. this will be awesome and even more awesome on the wallet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonkers Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Hi Damiano, 1. Run your cursor over the grey 'menu' button at the top, left of this page, and 'click' on the 'CH.com Oxygen Page.' There, you'll learn all you need to about setting up your own oxygen hyperventilation system. It's neither difficult nor expensive and you'll be really glad you did. 2. Lucky you, not to have to break too many ties to medications. No reason to go back to any of them. Someone here, I can't remember who, said that "There's more to it than just eating a handful of mushrooms." It sounds like you did just that - successfully! Good for you. The 1st person to make the connection between psychedelics and CH (Flash) also did 'just that,' so you're in good company. However, we've made some improvements since then, so: 3. Take the mushrooms 3 times with a 5-day break between each. Take the same amount each time. 4. Expect the experience of your CH to change while you're busting: hits at different times than usual, harder and/or different kinds of hits, etc. This is normal and should be expected. 5. You'll begin to have lengthening periods of pain-free(PF) time. The idea is to lengthen those periods until CH is just a painful memory and you only need to bust a couple of times a year to remain PF. 6. Read as much as you can. The more you understand about your CH and the ways that have been developed to combat it, the more competent a 'buster' you'll become, the better you'll be able to explain the condition to others and the more help you'll be to those who share your affliction. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonkers Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 No reason to bust while you're PF. Regardless of the length of time since your last bust, so long as you're PF, don't take the psychedelic. Wait until you're getting shadows or are starting to get hit again. Then, ASAP! before it gets bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damiano Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 Roger that - Bonkers - thank you. In your above post you said Take the mushrooms 3 times, do you mean the same time I am busting. For instance I will need to dose again this friday, I plan to do it in the evening. Are you saying to weigh out 3 sets of doses? For instance 1.3 grams 3 times and then take at the same time or spread over a period of time during the bust? I know from the reading here there is a small window of time before the door will shut and no more will be affective. Also yes I made a commitment to myself that I no longer want to take the traditional off label meds any longer and to give this a shot. I am glad I did, indeed to end this beastly cycle but you know what - the experience for me was something that is hard for me to put into words on here. But there was a connection made of so many things and it was life changing. I am glad that I was open to it and have now experienced this. The odd timing of the hits I have been getting are odd but I dont care, I have more pain free time now then I have in almost the 3 weeks this cycle started. I am happy and have ben smiling knowing that this can be beat and put to rest. From what you are saying I dont really need to do maintenance doses 2 times a year, wait till I start to shadow and then begin busting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonkers Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 In your post at the top of the page, you say that you took 1.4g and followed it with another gram 35 minutes later. That's 2.4g. Take 2.4g, all at once, this coming Friday. You could take it as soon as Wednesday. Just be sure to wait at least 5 days between doses to allow your receptors to clear. Wait another 5 days and take another 2.4g. unless you're PF. If you're not getting hit and not having shadows, don't take another dose until you are. When (if?) you get hit or start having shadows, unless it's been less than 5 days, dose again. The idea is to continue dosing at 5-day intervals until your PF times extend beyond the 5 days subsequent to dosing. With any luck, you should be able to extend your dosing intervals until you're only having to dose a couple of times per year. Make sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damiano Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 Got it now perfect, yes I did have to take 2 and half grams, the first dose wasnt doing anything so I did tka eanother gram and went on a pretty nice ride lol.... Thank you for the advice makes a lot of sense ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonkers Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Btw, I had never tried any type of intoxicant other than alcohol when, at around age 20 (I'm now 65), I took 750mcg of LSD. Needless to say, it provided the most profound experience of my life until then. I still remember it and wouldn't have missed it for the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damiano Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 I also want to give you all an idea of the meds that I have been on before I started to detox. I was taking imitrex injects almost daily, especially with the usual 1 in the morning hit. My neuro had me on verapamil 80 mg's 4 times a day followed up by weekly ekg. He also had me on indomethacine every 8 hours. And he gave me prenisone - but i refuse to take it. nasty side affects for me. Also Stadol - but I didnt take any of it this time aorund - even worse stuff in my opinion. He also wanted to give me a rx for some opiates and then I asked him how much he knew about ch's, he asked why and i said for me they make it worse - maybe it works well for others but not for me. Also i do the hot hot bath with some aroma therapy in the water, followed by a cold shower and then going outside in the cold air to run in place or take fast paced walks. My last cycle they tried many drugs but the one that actually helped the most was verapamil. The best treatment thus far has been busting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damiano Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 I am happy to report today that as of yesterday night I had some small shadows that lasted for only about 5 to 10 minutes, I only had about 3 of these that I thought were going to turn into a full blown hit. I didn't need any O2, or anything, the only thing I did was breath in as much natural O2 as possible through the one side of my nostril that usually clogs up during a hit, I would hold my other side closed and just breath in the cool air and they vanished just like that. It is strange, usually during a cycle even when I don't have any hits I am unable to breath in this much O2 naturally through this side of my nose. Whatever the case this has worked for me. I actually had a full 6 hours of sleep last night, I went to bed late thinking I am still in a cycle and didn't trust that they wouldn't come back and slam me with a good hit. I was anticipating it so I was waiting for it. All day yesterday I could feel things going on in my head, it would feel like a shadow coming on but then it would feel as if the head was draining and it was working its way out of my brain. I don't know how to put it in words really, just very odd sensations, felt odd but kind of good in a sense. It reminds me of when you get that last major hit when the cycle is getting ready to go dormant. Had a lot of tingle like sensations and almost like a sinus drain and small pinches here and there. As of this writing it has been about 8 hours since my last shadow even. I am almost convinced that this cycle has been killed !!!! I am not brave enough to test the waters to verify it is gone (like have a beer or a small sip of red wine). So I will trip one more time this week just to put the final nail in the coffin. I want to thank each of you on here. Alleyoop, Bonkers, thank you. All of you contribute to the well being of others and you do this because we all know what kind of pain this is. Like I have said, as I have gotten older since these first started (back in 1992) to today, I am just very tired of the fight with these stupid things. As I have gotten older and have been dealing with this (almost 20 years) it seems the cycles took on a new life and they got closer and closer. I used to cycle every 4 years, then it was every other year as I got older. Now it seems that once a year has become the norm for me with one cycle that would last for around 4 to 6 weeks and not that bad maybe kip-3 or 4's and they would hit for around 45 minutes so I would consider myself lucky, then they would go away and then the next year they would be back with a vengeance and I would have 2 cycles that would last about 8 weeks each , the first bout would start in Jan and wont end till the middle of March, then I would get a break and they would start again in June and would go until August. This year happens to be my 2 cycle year. This cycle is my major oh shit cycle - kip 8 ,9 and 10's. Since I busted Saturday night - wow holy crap wow. This website has been a blessing! I was so closed minded in the past and skeptical when I had landed on this website in the past few years and was very against this method. However as you get older I am convinced that it is harder to deal with and handle and it seems the cycles get worse as you get older. I am almost convinced that some of the pharmaceuticals that they use on us tends to make it worse in the long run. I would urge anyone I know that has this condition to be open minded and try it at least one time. For the past almost 10 days I have not taken any pharmaceuticals at all, the only drug that has been put into my body has been the shrooms , that's it that's all nothing else. In fact today I left my house and out of habit I would normally make sure I had my shot kit and bottle of verapamil with me, I haven't even thought about them since 2 days ago, Except for the day before yesterday when I thought I might need to add verapamil back to the routine because I had a bad hit, but Alleyoop said to try and stay away from it and that it was a normal thing to have a big hit like that after treating it with this method (I should have read the files section all the way and I would have found this information and would have been expecting it, since then I have read just about everything on this site). So I stayed the course of no more pharmaceuticals. This method is the way to go if nothing else has worked for a cluster head. In fact had I known what the end result could have been I would have skipped all the normal prescriptions and would have tried this first years ago. But again I wasn't open minded to it, I always thought it was a hippy crack - and the funny part about all of this is - I have been to over 20 dead concerts back in my day and never ever tried any of this. The worst I had ever done at a dead concert was in the parking lot and that was smoking some grass. The power of the medicine that is in mushrooms is very awesome. I don't consider this to be anything other than a medication for me, that doesn't come with the side affects that the typical meds do. This will now be my go to medication unless it stops working. For a natural medication that is a fungus growing from the ground, wow very powerful. I want to just say one more time, thanks to all of you that have contributed to this cause and have shared their story and experience. This has made a difference in my life - literally I went from wanting to shoot myself in the head 2 weeks ago at the start of this cycle to almost overnight being pain free. Thank you all!!! 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Bonkers Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Congratulations, damiano! It's stories like yours that make the work we do here worthwhile. Thanks for sharing. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damiano Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 Congratulations, damiano! It's stories like yours that make the work we do here worthwhile. Thanks for sharing. Ron Thanks Ron - you know in the past I have just sucked it to well I was born with this and I would poke around here and there on the net to see what was going on, I never really joined up or spoke out that much or was very vocal at all. Maybe it was because of going to the ER and being told I just wanted opiates and was treated like a junkie - so I figured well if people cant see the pain then they dont and cant comprehend this pain, if you go to an ER and have a cut off leg they see a problem and can see the pain - but a CH they just think you are the norm wanting some vicoden or whatever they think - so I have always just bottled it up and have never been this outspoken or vocal about this thing we all live with. So I have decided to make a commitment and not go away just because I was able to bust my cycle this time around. I figure I will become a regular on here and try to visit at least once per week. And who knows maybe I will be able to give back to this community is one way or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleyoop Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 So I have decided to make a commitment and not go away just because I was able to bust my cycle this time around. I figure I will become a regular on here and try to visit at least once per week. And who knows maybe I will be able to give back to this community is one way or another. Now that's paying it forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damiano Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 I feel like a dork for saying this but I think it could be beneficial for others. It didn't dawn on me until about 2 hours ago or so and after doing more reading on all of this that I haven't been doing a habit that I formed when I was pretty young, that habit is chewing tobacco. I used to go through about a can of Copenhagen every other day, since I busted Saturday night - I didn't know why this was - but I have not had a dip since I busted and I didn't even realise it until a while ago. I don't even know where my last can is and that was always an important thing for me is my daily chew routine - get up have a dip take a shower with it in blah blah blah...... well I have not had the urge at all for a dip and have not bought a can of chew since last week, I didn't really honestly even notice it, my wife did but she didn't want to say anything to me because when I started this latest cycle I told her I was going to try to not do it as much since it could be a trigger. So I was having maybe one dip a day during the day. Since busting I have not felt the urge or even reached for my can how I always do.... After reading more article on the shrooms I found one that said they have been using them to treat addictions and smoking... I also wanted to report that I did have an earache the next day after busting, this is the same side as my hits. I didn't know if it was because I was wearing headphones while busting and I had the music too loud or did something else. But I can tell you that I can breath better out of my nose now - the side that my hits come on. The other side of my nose has always been fine. I think me being prepared to end chewing and wanting to and then busting really helped me kick that habit to the curb. The earache has left as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hipshot Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Hello new guy. I'm glad to read about your success. Hang in there and prepare to take several doses to complete the mission. Please hang around and contribute. Hell, you might just save a life Growing ones own medicine is underrated 8-) Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damiano Posted February 1, 2012 Author Share Posted February 1, 2012 Thanks Dan ! I will stick around for good this time. You helped save mine! Will have medicine growing as soon as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonkers Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 The good people who grow a mushroom garden and share the bounty with others who need it but for one reason or another can't grow one of their own - we call those good people "angels." Being an angel is a good thing. Be an angel. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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