ok...Bob...well thanks anyway fer starting this thread...it needs to be posted in future years..obviously...i have received no responses ...thats cool ...you know me...I'm painfree...i just wanted to come fer shits and gigtgles..and can't be there...BUTT there are many fuckin CHERS who are not as lucky as me who NEED to fuckin be there....You and I have been there ...and know many friends who ...can't shell out the kind of bucks it takes to be there...I have run founded and run NPO's . i'm asking a lot....you and DJ have given us wonders...you know i hold you cats in the highest esteem...i'm here ...a cheerleader fer the tired and poor and lonely folks with CH...i don't know what the solution is...butt it's gotta be ...for them...sumpthin other than an expensive hotel and appetisers.