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BOL Bromo-LSD HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE THE 1950'S

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Well I have been researching BOL and found it has been around since the 1950's.  Also found BOL has been sold by RX under the name Sansert.

My question is are these facts and I am sure Sansert is still sold should we be trying to get Sansert?

Thanks,

Phil

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While sansert (methysergide) has similarities to LSD, it has no bromine, according to my old Merck Index.

Edited to add:

I looked up Bromo LSD in the Merck, and damned if it isn't in there. It shows a reference to: Troxler, Hofmann, Hedv. Chim. Acta 40, 2160 (1957).

So yeah, apparently Dr. Hofmann and a colleague wrote it up in 1957.

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Thanks tommy,

I was shocked that it has been around that long. 

Also try looking up Deseril it is another name for Sansert.

Phil

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Well I have been researching BOL and found it has been around since the 1950's.  Phil

Yep, it's been sitting around gathering dust since the 50s just like LSD, and for the same reasons for the most part.

There is some question as to whether we can get it manufactured in the States without going through everything we have to go through for LSD.

The reason being that to make BOL, you must first make LSD, which as we all know, is not legal to do.

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If you check out the 2-Bromo thread in this section, you'll find the info on Sansert vs. Bromo

Bob

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Just thought this would be a good place to file this info.

LSD studies involving children.

Autistic Schizophrenic Children. An Experiment in the Use of D-lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD-25)

http://www.neurodiversity.com/library_freedman_1962.html

Archives of General Psychiatry, 1962; 6 (203-213)

A.M. Freedman et al

Beckley Foundation

http://www.beckleyfoundation.org/bib/sys/bib.pl?face=simple

Archive of information on the use of psychoactive drugs.

Children's Reactions to Psychotomimetic Drugs

http://www.neurodiversity.com/library_bender_1970.html

Psychotomimetic Drugs, 1970; pp. 265-273

Lauretta Bender

Chromosome Damage Not Found in Leukocytes of Children Treated with LSD-25

http://www.neurodiversity.com/library_bender_1968a.html

Science, 1968; 159:749

Lauretta Bender et al

CIA, Mind Control and Children

http://mindcontrolforums.com/radio/ckln10.htm

In the children's unit of Creedmore State Hospital with a resident population of 450 patients, ages 4 to 15, we have investigated the responses of some of these children to lysergic acid and related drugs in the psychiatric, psychological and biochemical areas. Two groups of boys receiving daily LSD, UML (which is a methylated derivative of LSD) or psilocybin ... at first the medication was given weekly but was eventually given daily for periods of up to several months. Dosages remain constant throughout, LSD 150 mcg. (which is a standard for an adult trip), psilocybin 20 mg. daily or UML 12 mg. daily, all given in two divided doses. The average duration of treatment was 2 to 3 months. Daily. Children, 7, 9 , 11 years old ...

John Rappoport

D-lysergic Acid in the Treatment of the Biological Features of Childhood Schizophrenia

http://www.neurodiversity.com/library_bender_1966.html

Diseases of the Nervous System, 27:43-46 1966

Lauretta Bender

Lifting the Veil: A Review of the History, Clinical-Usage and Safety of LSD, Ibogaine and MDMA in a Psychotherapeutic Context

http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~clovett/clinicaladjuncts.pdf

(LSD) aroused the interest of many psychiatrists who were in no sense cultural rebels or especially radical in their attitudes. It was recommended for a wide variety of problems including alcoholism, obsessional neurosis, and childhood autism.

Christopher D. Lovett

LSD and UML Treatment of Hospitalized Disturbed Children

http://www.neurodiversity.com/library_bender_1963.html

Recent Advances in Biological Psychiatry, 5:84-92, 1963

Lauretta Bender et al

LSD-25 Helps Schizophrenic Children

http://www.neurodiversity.com/library_bender_1962a.html

American Druggist, 146 (13):33, 1962

Lauretta Bender et al

Modification of Autistic Behavior with LSD-25

http://www.neurodiversity.com/library_simmons_1966.html

American Journal of Psychiatry, May 1966, pp. 1201-1211

James Q. Simmons III, O. Ivar Lovaas, et al

Research with Psychedelics. Some Biopsychological Concepts and Possible Clinical Applications

http://www.neurodiversity.com/library_silverman_1971.html

Archives of General Psychiatry 25: 498-510

Julian Silverman

Theory and Treatment of Childhood Schizophrenia

http://www.neurodiversity.com/library_bender_1968.html

Acta paedopsychiatrica, 34:298-307, 1968

Lauretta Bender

Treatment of Autistic Schizophrenic Children with LSD-25 and UML-491

http://www.neurodiversity.com/library_bender_1962.html

Recent Advances in Biological Psychiatry, 1962; 4:170-77

Lauretta Bender et al

Treatment of Childhood Schizophrenia Utilizing LSD and Psilocybin

http://maps.org/news-letters/v07n3/07318fis.html

Now that the FDA has permitted research with LSD and psilocybin to resume, we feel it is important to share examples of a remarkable experiment, the results of which were not sufficiently taken into account because this line of research was prematurely halted in the mid-sixties due to political considerations. Childhood schizophrenia is still a difficult problem to treat and causes much suffering. It is a terrible shame that research done 35 years ago is still the last word on the use of psychedelics to treat these conditions.

Gary Fischer, Newsletter of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies

Treatment of Childhood Schizophrenia with LSD and UML

http://www.neurodiversity.com/library_bender_1966a.html

Biological Treatment of Mental Illness, Proceedings II of the International Conference of the Manfred Sakel Foundation 10/31-11/3/1962, 1966; 2(4):463-91

Lauretta Bender et al

Use of LSD-25 in the Therapy of Children

http://www.neurodiversity.com/library_abramson_1967.html

Journal of Asthma Research, 5: 139-143 (1967)

Harold A. Abramson

Use of Psychedelic Agents with Autistic Schizophrenic Children

http://www.neurodiversity.com/library_mogar_1969.html

Behavioral Neuropsychiatry 1969 Nov;1(8):44-50

Robert E. Mogar, Robert W. Aldrich

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bromo-LSD = 2-bromolysergic acid diethylamide

Methysergide (Sansert) = 1-Methyl- d-lysergic acid- (1-hydroxybut- 2-yl) amide

They are different substances.

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Just thought this would be a good place to file this info.

LSD studies

Great list, thanks Bob,

I find this old stuff fascinating.

I should get out more.

HereÂ’s an interesting piece from 77

Treatment of phantom limb pain with sub- hallucinogenic doses of Lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD-25)

Headache17:118-119,1977

Fanciullacci ,Del Bene, Franchi, Sicuteri

http://www.lycaeum.org/research/researchpdfs/2912.pdf

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Just thought this would be a good place to file this info.

LSD studies involving children.

Psychedelic Salon Podcast

Podcast 156 – “Treating Childhood Schizophrenia with Psychedelics”

Guest speakers: Gary Fisher and Charlie Grob

September 10th, 2008

In 1963, Dr. Gary Fisher wrote a paper titled

An Investigation to Determine Therapeutic Effectiveness of

LSD-25 and Psilocybin on Hospitalized

Severely Emotionally Disturbed Children

http://www.matrixmasters.net/blogs/?p=697

We have given treatment to 12 patients. They have ranged in age from 4 years, 10 months to 12 years, 11 months. The average age is 9 years, 10 months. All patients are severely emotionally disturbed and are considered variants of childhood schizophrenia and infantile autism. Nine Children are considered to be childhood schizophrenics, one case of symbiotic, infantile psychosis and one case of manic-depressive psychosis.

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bromo-LSD = 2-bromolysergic acid diethylamide

Methysergide (Sansert) = 1-Methyl- d-lysergic acid- (1-hydroxybut- 2-yl) amide

They are different substances. 

I took Sansert circa 1990's.  Very expensive then (I was uninsured at the time)  Can you explain the differences in these substances?  Layman terms please.

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I took Sansert circa 1990's.  Very expensive then (I was uninsured at the time)  Can you explain the differences in these substances?  Layman terms please.

They are similar like grape juice and wine.

Sansert is taken every day for 6 months and then taking a break, and can lead to some serious side effects.

Bromo-lsd is being tested as a treatment used three times, and done.

Sort of like driving non-stop, every day for 6 months, without a seatbelt vs. driving 3 times with a seatbelt each time.

Bobw

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Sansert/Desiril is a drug that certainly did not agree with me. 1 pill completely spun me out, I sat on a chair shaking for hours, then tipped the rest of the bottle down the crapper.

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