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Double barrel meow meows!!! All is rt with the world now

Sod off @jon019your mad as a hatter

....well, it's a given Shaun is quite batty, but as for myself...i am perfectly normal since the transplant...

@Craigoonly speaking the true my friend, we have to be mad to put up with this

Welcome, sorry you had to find us but glad you found CB. I had a chuckle at Shaun’s comment but I would agree we are a lovely but mad bunch. I am sure you’ll get the support you need here. I’d be another of the replies to encourage you to investigate the vitamin D3 anti-inflammatory regimen; has worked beautifully for me with eCH.

Hi all. I saw a post recently from a fellow CH warrior that designed and built a CH tracker app. Heres the link: https://clusterheadachetracker.com I believe it may be in beta test mode but love the ingenuity and skill in our amazing community.

Just spotted: A quick response Avatar update, with DOUBLE BARREL KITTIES - both shoulders! All is suddenly sooo doubly right in the avatar world, proof that AI can indeed be used for good.

Very late to the festivities here, but THE SHOULDER KITTY HAS CURRENTLY GONE MISSING FROM THE ACTUAL AVATAR, and needs to be restored there ASAP, right @BoscoPiko??!!

Of course! I think we can all agree that any and all help is appreciated! If there's anything I can do or say to help even one person with clusters, I'll certainly do what I can!

...ha!...plenty funny padre! you so far ahead of me i can't see your dust...i just throw some once in a while...

jon019 has about a fifth as many posts as I do here -- and the combined value of his posts is at least five times mine! i would advocate for proper tanks, including a large one -- your oxygen supplier is treating you like most of its other customers (COPD, etc.), who get small tanks for outside and a concentrator for inside, but they are, i am sure, legally required to give you what you need for ch. for some people a concentrator does "work," in that an attack is stopped. perhaps because it's first times using, and because you are smaller, you will get okay results from the concentrator, particularly if you combine it with some caffeine. but for reasons jon' gave, it's highly likely that you would always get better results from the tank. if you don't outrace the O2 supply at 15lpm, the "ClusterO2 Kit" mask might not make much of a difference for you, as long as you block any leakages from the nonrebreather.

I get what you mean. When you’re dealing with health issues or just trying to build a better routine, it’s crazy how small changes can completely shift the way you feel.

...ok, speaking for myself, not the "good father", but...1) cost, they lease it to you at ridiculous price, and its an ongoing scam 2) it aint pure O2, something like maybe 85-90+%, we desperately need PURE O2 3) warm up time!? golly that's a killer...every minute you delay oxygen reduces the effectiveness hugely...if it even works at all after any delay. 3) flow rate!?...if it aint enough to keep the bag filled for next breath it's nearly useless...to get more than 10 lpm ya need TWO of them linked....sheesh, try paying/travelling with THAT! 4) speaking of travel, i went EVERYWHERE with e tanks, including a job for 30+ yrs...ya gonna have severe limits with a concentrator. m60 for home, e for travel and backup. 5) they run hot...over heating is a CH symptom, why add it to your room? 6) can ya tell how i feel? it saddens me that some clusterheads have no option thru insurance or an ignorant/greedyO2 shop. if its all ya can get...God bless, and i hope it works for you...it does for some. the likely failure sadly also convinces some WRONGLY to claim the WORST comment a clusterhead can make w/o ABSOLUTE certainty..."oxygen doesn't work for me!" saved my sanity, perhaps life...starting in 1985... ...as for verapamil...i used successfully for 7 yrs...only stopping when i dialed in the oxygen and energy drink and a form of the vit D regimen. nothing less than480 mg/dy of immediate release was effective...over the yrs it seems to be the reported sweet spot for many clusterheads. in high cycle i went to 1000+. as chF said...80 is pointless... j

Thank you for all this. Unfortunately the CH O2 kit is out of stock On the supplier — they know it’s for CH - albeit I don’t know that it means they’re experienced with supporting it - though I was given a few tanks along with the concentrators. I’ll get in touch to see how often I’m allowed to have extra(s) delivered. I had a feeling the concentrators were divisive; I’m a small person and found while testing that I didn’t out-inhale the 15L/m offered by simultaneous usage. (I’m supposed to combine both to hit the high flow target). Out of curiosity, what do you feel are the largest drawbacks of the concentrator, aside from “warm-up” time and flow rate? Won’t know until I’m hit with an attack, but my hope is concentrators sufficient. If it works, it works. Maybe it’s a little optimistic. The regulator I was given for the tanks is 15L/m. Again, I don’t think I can out- breathe that without serious hyperventilation. small correction on the verapamil — I start 80mg/day (40mg twice) and then bump to 160mg/day. thank you again for guidance!

40mg/day is a very very very low dose. So is 80. As you say, you never know, but the likelihood of this helping you seems to me to be very close to zero.

@Sub Below is an excerpt about O2 from a longer post, which you might want to look at: OXYGEN You should have oxygen from a tank/cylinder/cannister, not a concentrator that makes O2 from room air. You should have either a non-rebreather mask or the mask that is made for people with CH, the “Cluster O2 Kit,” which you can buy here: http://www.clusterheadaches.com/ccp8/. The flow rate should be sufficient that the reservoir bag on your mask is always full when you are ready to inhale using a forceful breathing strategy. For some people, this is 15 liters per minute (lpm); for others it can be higher. Since medical O2 suppliers generally won’t provide a regulator that goes higher than 15 lpm, you might have to get your own regulator. More about regulators below. You want to have at least two tanks: one large one for home and one smaller one that you can take in the car, to the office, etc. Batch has recommended what he refers to as a “redneck” approach, in which hyperventilating with room air is alternated with using pure O2. Read more about that here: https://clusterbusters.org/forums/topic/4919-batchs-hyperventilation-red-neck-bag/ (There is some research that indicates that O2 is sometimes less effective when first used, and then gets better over time (pretty quickly). That's something to keep in mind, although many people get excellent relief from the beginning.) If you get a standard non-rebreather mask, there will probably be at least one little circle of small holes in it with no gasket behind it. Tape over that circle or cover it with your thumb when you inhale. Be sure you are pressing the mask firmly to your face; don't use the strap to hold it on (cut the strap). Be sure you are getting a good seal, particularly if you have facial hair. You want to be inhaling pure O2 from your mask, with no room air getting in. Cutting the strap will allow the mask to fall off if you fall asleep, so you don’t continue breathing O2. Stay on the O2 for 5-10 minutes after you have aborted the attack. For many people, this holds off future attacks. Many people find that drinking caffeine or some kind of energy beverage as they start on the O2 significantly improves their abort time. More on caffeine/energy beverages below. There is no documentation of people experiencing “rebound attacks” from using oxygen at proper levels. People find different ways of breathing that work best for them. I have mentioned Batch’s suggested hyperventilation strategy as one example. In general, you should be inhaling deeply as you begin, holding the air in your lungs for a second or two, and then deeply exhaling, to the extent of doing or nearly doing a "crunch" to force out as much air from your lungs as possible. Looking down toward your feet as you use the O2 has been shown to help with aborts. Regulators. The oxygen should be flowing into the reservoir bag on your mask at such a rate that you do not have to pause before your next inhale. 15 lpm doesn’t do that for everyone, so they buy different regulators. NOTE that medical O2 tanks take different types of regulators. The smaller tanks use CGA 870 regulators and the larger tanks use CGA 540 regulators (all welding O2 tanks, of any size, take CGA 540 regulators). You can buy higher-flow medical regulators of both types online at amazon, EBay, and elsewhere. Many people use welding regulators (which, as I have said, will only fit on larger medical tanks). These allow very high flows, and can be adjusted for the optimal flow rate for you. You also can find these at many places, including amazon and EBay. You can get them at welding supply stores, too, but they are likely to be much more expensive. You should be able to find a very acceptable one for about $40 or less. If you buy one, try to be sure that it comes with a barbed valve that will hold your mask tubing. You can also buy a very inexpensive barbed adapter at many hardware stores or online. (Some people have gotten mask tubing onto the non-barbed fitting that is standard for the welding reg -- I'm just not very "handy" in that way.) Also, be aware that unlike a medical regulator, a welding regulator has no lpm settings or gauge. So you have to fiddle with it a little to get the flow rate you want. This becomes very easy very quickly. One other thing you'll need if you buy a CGA 540 regulator: a large adjustable wrench to tighten the regulator onto the tank. A demand valve system supplies oxygen only when you inhale (or sometimes when you press a button to release the O2). People who have these swear by them: as much O2 as you need whenever you need it. They can sometimes be found on EBay. There are other sources for them, but I’m not sure what they are. Maybe someone will add that information. Some people have observed that for some reason when the O2 level in their tank is “low,” the O2 doesn’t work as effectively for aborting, or might not work at all. “Low” in some cases can be as much as a third of a tank remaining. Something to be aware of. Some notes about dealing with oxygen suppliers (repeating some of what was said above). To avoid frustration, it might be wise for you to contact your O2 supplier before their first delivery to make sure you are getting the right equipment. Many of them are not used to providing for people with CH. You want cylinders (tanks), not a concentrator. At the least, you want one large tank (an M tank or H tank) and one smaller tank for portability (an E tank). Multiple versions of each tank are better. You need some kind of stand, at least for your larger tank(s). You want regulators that go up to at least 15 liters per minute (lpm), and preferably up to 25 lpm. (I say "regulators," plural, because the large tanks and the smaller tanks take different types of regulators.) And you want a NON-REBREATHER mask. These are all things they should know to give you to treat CH, but often don’t. When the stuff is delivered, have the delivery person set it up for you and be sure it's working. Some people have found that the O2 delivery people are quite willing to provide them with extra tanks.

...if ya want a direct tube to breathe through, any mask will do by just pulling tube connector off mask...cutting off if ya hafto. i couldn't do because it was uncomfortable and the pressure of the mask, CRAMMED into my face, actually helped. just be sure to plug/squeeze nose so you are getting pure O2 only...which is critical.... ...btw...if you got a typical nonrebreather be sure to tape shut those dang holes on the side...a slight lift off the chin to exhale worked best for me... j

CH.com is experiencing supply chain issues for its products. Are there alternatives for a direct mouthpiece that you or anyone could recommend? I have the standard mask that came with my units but hear it isn’t ideal for CH.

Welcom to the CH club, we are all a bit mad in here, but we have lots of knowledge, so ask questions, tell us your experiences

Poke around, read up and ask questions. You will be amazed at how many people are willing to help and share experiences. Key in on Oxygen and Vitamin D, they are the most recommended treatments to get started with.

...hola!...welcome... jonathan