dereksgirl Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I know you all can not give medical advise, so I am hoping to receive your opinions on this. I am working my way through the FAQ busting page. We have ordered 400 RC seeds - should be here tomorrow, but he can not bust yet as he has no abort method except triptans right now (working on the 02 set up)Â But he might not even wait to detox - he is so exhausted and in pain, he will probably want to start as soon as the seeds come in and detox as soon as he gets the regulator set up he needs (we hope he can get that on Tuesday) He has been Episodic for 14 yrs now mainly with 2 yrs in between cycles. (We just found this site last week, and now he is so hopeful to finally be able to fight this) This is his worse cycle ever and he is terrified of the pain. He definitely wants to do the seeds. But now i am very scared. His brother was diagnosed with schizophrenia a few years ago. We also have one - possibly 2 of our 6 children who have mild cases of Raynaud's disease that we believe comes from his genes (says he vaguely recalls having experienced Raynaud symptoms when he was younger - but has not had them in the 18 yrs I've been married to him. (that I know of - I don't know if he would have paid any attention to it) So I am concerned... seems that he has two red flags he should consider, but he is not concerned about the Psycho part as he used LSD recreationally as a teen, and i just read the 2nd contratradiction a few minutes ago and haven't mentioned it to him as he finally asleep. any words of wisdom for me/us... many thanks. :'( we want to bust so badly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 My opinion, dont rush it. Get the tools you need to detox, detox properly, it is very important. 02,02,02 and caffeine. I could not detox without them. Dont waste your medicine jamming them all together. after 14 years episodic, a few more days for the tools to detox wont kill him. all the best the bb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potlimit Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I agree with thebb... if you don't detox properly, then dose, and subsequently come to find you got no relief, you might hastily assume that the seeds didn't work... when in reality they weren't given the opportunity to work. Not only that, but if you have so many reservations about the seeds, then why not see if the O2 is adequate first? I understand the pain involved in the interim, but you have to look at it as thought that's the sacrifice he has to make for something that could prove to be a lifesaver! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejeeber Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 .....he is not concerned about the Psycho part as he used LSD recreationally as a teen... My opinion: With the RC seeds he won't get anywhere in the vicinity of the kind tripping he's already experienced with LSD (which I imagine is the most dangerous of the busting hallucinogens to combine with schizophrenia). Plus it sounds like his brother is schizophrenic, but he's not. That said, if he ends up trying mushrooms, I think something to keep in mind is that some of us who didn't experience any bad trips with hallucinogens in our youth can find the experience sometimes unpleasant as older adults, especially if anxieties are creeping in about family responsibilities and other stuff like CH. It goes away after a couple hours though. 8-) 400 is a lot of seeds that will last for several doses (and in my experience you usually actually receive significantly more than you ordered). So I would go ahead and take 50 or so before bed if he gets them by Tuesday, because he'll have to be detoxing anyway for 5 days or so if he gets that O2 around then. And from what I know it couldn't hurt. If some of the true gurus on the subject pipe in here and don't call it that way, listen to them though. I will find myself tripping like a futher mucker on just 1.5 g of mushroom powder, but 50 RC before bed = *no tripping* and a better than usual night's sleep for me. Of course I haven't taken them right in the midst of a full blown episode so I've always been able to sleep through without any CH wake up calls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 If some of the true gurus on the subject pipe in here and don't call it that way, listen to them though. Who are they? So I know who to listen to... :-/ :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejeeber Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Ha - sorry if that was disrespectful to any other posters here so far. I think that certainly Psiloscribe would be a top guru, and heck as far as I know you're one of 'em too thebb! I haven't been around long enough or paid enough attention to really know yet. I also figure that a member's post count often (but not always) reflects their knowledge of the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I also figure that a member's post count often (but not always) reflects their knowledge of the subject. Careful with your figuring. No disrespect to you, it sounded really cliquish to me.(Bushism) We are all at the same table, at the same level. Some people are more experienced and older, that is all. We all have done alot of research, some more that others. I will listen to all with the same vigor. From newbies to guru's. Certainly Bob is the man, by experience and selfless action. Lets be careful not to create divisions between sufferers. Were all squirrels just trying to get a nut. I didn't see a big all knowing guru squirrel at the door. . Ha - sorry if that was disrespectful to any other posters here so far. Apology accepted. all the best the bb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyorr Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 good luck with your seeds and wish us luck, he just ate 1.5 g of dried mushrooms, first time since 87' and we're both a little nervous but soooo thankful we located some. timing could not be better, after last night's 4 - k9 and very little sleep we're going for it. Today is start of week 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Good luck to you and yours. relax he will be fine. all the best the bb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejeeber Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Wendy - here's wishing the best of luck with that mushroom bust! 4 K9's in one night is very good reason to go for it IMO. BB - We'll have to agree to disagree a little I guess - I do think that when someone has read enough accounts from other CH'ers on a particular issue they do tend to get a feel for what approach to take is the most likely to be reasonable, and personally I definitely listen to such a person with a little more vigor than someone brand new who is more shooting from the hip. Disclaimer: I'm not saying you guys were shooting from the hip though! In the back of my mind on this particular issue was a comment in a recent thread on a similar detoxing/busting topic - it's from someone I won't drag by name into my *insert foot in mouth* spectacle here, but this poster has been here from the start and has observed a lot. The comment: "If you have easy access to busting materials, give it a shot w/out detoxing. If it doesn't work, all it'll cost you is a week more of pain, during which time you can detox and then try again." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 BB - We'll have to agree to disagree a little I guess - I do think that when someone has read enough accounts from other CH'ers on a particular issue they do tend to get a feel for what approach to take is the most likely to be reasonable, and personally I definitely listen to such a person with a little more vigor than someone brand new who is more shooting from the hip. I can agree to disagree. Not one person here knows all. We all put out our information for others to consider, in the hope it helps others, and not to be judged. but this poster has been here from the start and has observed a lot. Others have been here from the start as well, observed alot and kept their mouth shut. I am in no ones pecking order. > I am here to help, not argue. You dont judge me, I wont judge you. > respectfully the bb Edit: Sorry dereksgirl back to yur thread :-X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejeeber Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Others have been here from the start as well, observed alot and kept their mouth shut. Good point since a post count can be more a show of how much someone blabs and blabs on *glances at self in mirror* than how much they listen. It would be cool IMO if the forums could also display a "views" count for each of us in addition to posts. 8-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hipshot Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Hey the bb. Aren't you the one that said "never relax"? Haha I remember that one...it scared me. ;D Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Never relax ever! Did it save you from getting hit just once Dan? I hope so. Didn't mean to scare ya. the bb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hipshot Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 ...that's exactly the quote I remember. Yea you have helped me and I appreciate it. I do actually get to relax these daysXXXXX jinx. Relaxing is underrated for sure. Ahhhhh Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dereksgirl Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share Posted February 8, 2011 Thanks everyone, I appreciate the good wishes and interesting posts. It is great to know we can all be ourselves, express our opinions, tick each other off unintentionally, get over ourselves and go on. ;D I was hoping to get a little more feed back on the history of schizophrenia and Raynaud's that he has - has anyone else busted with these conditions? Does anyone know if this an "actual" risk or a "perceived" risk? :-/ Wendyorr - sending out "good vibes" as they say 'round here - hoping your guy is successful and PF - curious - has he been PF since 87 - did you bust back then? keep us posted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixie-elf Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Thanks everyone, I appreciate the good wishes and interesting posts. It is great to know we can all be ourselves, express our opinions, tick each other off unintentionally, get over ourselves and go on. ;D I was hoping to get a little more feed back on the history of schizophrenia and Raynaud's that he has - has anyone else busted with these conditions? Does anyone know if this an "actual" risk or a "perceived" risk? :-/ Wendyorr - sending out "good vibes" as they say 'round here - hoping your guy is successful and PF - curious - has he been PF since 87 - did you bust back then? keep us posted! My half brother is bipolar. Both of my half brothers have ADHD. That doesn't mean that I have it, or will get it. Just because some genes happen to be there, it doesn't mean it's absolutely going to happen. At least, that's how I view it, and how my doctors view it. If he's done LSD before and been fine, I'd say not to worry about it. If it was going to cause him problems with schizophrenia, I'm betting it would have then. This is just my guess though. I've got a bunch of mentally ill people in my family, and extended / adopted family. I know one person who's grandfather was schizophrenic, and she is too. (She's a child, which makes it pretty horrible.) There were signs from early childhood in both of them that this was there. I think in the end, no one can really tell you for certain. If he's not worried, I wouldn't worry. Trust his gut. Mystina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 http://www.clusterbusters.com/faqlsa.htm Is further investigation on your part worth it? Only you can answer that question. There is no right or wrong answer. Everyone must weigh the options and decide for themselves as to if this treatment is for you. There are health issues that must be considered besides all other issues. Be sure to read the warnings link found at the top of this page. There are considerations that make this treatment not viable for some people. Besides the end of the pain, many people report an even more profound change. The knowledge that there IS something that will end the pain and no longer have to treat each headache and wait for a cycle to end on it's own. The knowledge that maintenance doses once every few months may very well mean no longer having to go through a cycle on the terms your hypothalamus has planned for you. To again be able to take control of your life and no longer live in fear of the next cycle. Replacing months of planning ahead, and around, the next scheduled cluster cycle, with one or two planned doses of LSA or psilocybin. In many cases, a dose of a naturally occurring substance in a sub-hallucinogenic dose. Many people report this psychedelic dose to be even less noticeable than many of the prescribed abortives and those side effects at the higher ranges of preventives. [bw] Wished I could help more. the bb Maybe some more study to help you. http://www.miqel.com/clusterheadaches/clusterheadaches.html http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_medical1.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I found it. This is what has you concerned. I would follow this advice unless you consult your doc and they give the okey dokey. All these hallucinogens must be used with caution. Those will mental problems - especially schizophrenia, paranoia or deep feelings of insecurity - should NOT take indole-ring hallucinogens. The goal is to use a sub-hallucinogenic or minimally-hallucinogenic dose, but you should be prepared for a trip, just in case. This means controlling the set (mind-set -if you fear this experience, donÂ’t do it) and the setting (the environment and the people around you). Best to be in a familiar and secure setting and to have only trusted friends (babysitters!) with you. Pick a time when interruptions are not likely, choose some favorite music, movies (not too intense!) games, picture books or other calming and enjoyable media. all the best you pick,keep em away from his brother :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dereksgirl Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share Posted February 8, 2011 Thanks all - I decided that further research would be in our best interest... episodic pain that may possibly be controlled by yucky meds or possibility of losing him to psychosis... worth looking into, and I am glad i have. Lots of info on the web most of it confusing and you need a dictionary by your side to understand even half of it but - the main jist of it all from what I understand so far is that they are unsure of the link between schiz. and the HT-5 receptors There is a possibility that agonist (like LSD & LSA that evoke a response in your system, not to be confused with antagonist that simply block receptors) could possibly exacerbate psychosis is Schiz patients. Of course there is conflicting and continuing research and much of it beyond my ability to really comprehend at this point in the game. BUT it is truly fascinating to me - the correlation between these to things and the confusing role of serotonin in both Schiz and CH. We have decided to try the Licorice and O2 starting tomorrow, that will buy me some time to research more. I am wondering if you are familiar with any good links to the study of the relationship of high/low serotonin levels and CH. PFD & Nights Is further investigation on your part worth it? Thanks, good links and got me going on seeking out more info! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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