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Maybe a bit of comparison on my Kipp Scale, for those that have a different interpretation: I've broken my wrist before. It was 10 at night and I didn't feel like going to the emergency room. I decided to go to bed and go in the morning. I went right to sleep like a baby 15 minutes after breaking it. Slept fine got up. Put my wrist in a tshirt sling and went to the emergency room. My kipp level was maybe 3 out of 10. I've de-gloved 2 fingers on my right hand in a sailing accident. The index and middle finger had the meat pulled right off the bone. My middle finger bone was sticking out like a skeleton you see at Halloween. Of course both fingernails were peeled off as well. We were docking a large boat and my fingers got caught in a cleat. I yelled up to the guy on the bow not to dilly dally, that he had to take me to the emergency room as soon as the boat was tied up. I grabbed a hand towel from the galley and ran back on deck spewing blood everywhere. I finished securing the stern and port of the boat before showing my friend what happened. He drove me to the emergency room where they reassembled my fingers. Oh and without any anesthetic. I'm immune to the anesthetic they use for nerve blocks. My peak pain through the entire event was maybe a 4. My pain tolerance is VERY high due to my years with CH I can only assume. I've had 3 kidney stones. Passed one of them. Kipp 5 to 6. Other two had surgery to remove and were maybe Kipp 3 tops. To say my pain levels with a CH K10 are worse than an amputation without anesthetic is a no brainer. My K10's are much worse. Everyone is different, but pain is pain. Support for our CH family here is what's its all about. J

The reality is everyone has a different pain level from their CH. They also have different pain tolerances. I'm one of the people that have attempted suicide due to my CH. When I get a K10, it IS a K10... I've passed kidney stones and they were a walk in the park compared to my K10 attacks. I've beat my head on the floor till I've passed out. Because some people with CH don't really get K10's doesn't mean others don't. I wouldn't downplay any description. Otherwise you shouldn't complain if someone just tells you to go take an aspirin when YOU have an attack. (see the comparison?) I've spoken with people that can't understand why some of us use indole ring hallucinogens to treat our CH. They've said. "CH isn't that bad. Just wait till the attack passes". "Why would anyone take an illegal substance to treat their CH. It's not that bad"... The examples go on and on. To those people... I seriously question if you really have CH. I KNOW how bad mine was before I started self treatment. I'd never go back to that world, or I'd be outa here if I did. I think healthy debate is healthy. Let's just not downplay someone else's description just because your pain isn't as bad as theirs. You might wake up one day and find your pain IS as bad as theirs and reassess your own Kipp scale. (I certainly hope not though). Cheers, J

Are you going to have a raffle table set up this year and if so how do you go about donating to it? What other ways can people help out with this event?