Alankoontz Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 I have a history of cluster headaches (about 8 years). Recently, I have found that drinking a small amount (about half a cup) of seltzer that has small bubbles immediately before going to bed every night has helped. This seems odd--why would seltzer help? Has anyone had a similar experience? If not, try it right before going to sleep and let me know. Any ideas as to why it might help? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon019 Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Welcome Alan...this is a great place to be for a clusterhead.............. Total guess..... perhaps you are altering your body/blood ph to a more ch resistant state.....Batch should be along to comment on that.... ...also...I have found that energy drinks work better (for me) with carbonation (faster absorption). Is this plain seltzer you use? Best Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alankoontz Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 Thanks for your comment, Jon. I don't consume any caffeine, so no energy drinks. Yes, it's flavored seltzer with nothing else. I think the carbonation is key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alankoontz Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 As a follow-up post, I also take vitamins: in morning, 1000 mcg methylcobalamin B-12 and 200 mg high absorption chelated magnesium (every other day to reduce impact on gut); at lunch, 5000 IU vit D3 and a multivitamin for people over age 65; at night before bed, 5 mg melatonin (slow release). I've been taking these for about three years. Do folks take other vitamins to prevent or lessen cluster headaches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHfather Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Alank', there's the full vitamin d3 regimen, which you can read about here: https://clusterbusters.org/forums/topic/1308-d3-regimen/ Incidentally, there was a fellow here who recommended a mix of baking soda, water, and lime juice as an abortive. Said he thinks it works for him. I don't know whether I'm right that water + baking soda = something fizzy (not necessarily carbonated). Your initial post just made me think of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alankoontz Posted November 9, 2017 Author Share Posted November 9, 2017 Thanks for the information. Maybe there is something about fizz that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alankoontz Posted November 10, 2017 Author Share Posted November 10, 2017 Another follow up: I have the type of cluster headache that relates to the trigeminal nerve (left side). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon019 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Ummm...Alan...we all have the type of clusterheadache that relates to the trigeminal nerve...mine is right side. The point being? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxx Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 The following link to a post I made in 2012, should help explain how and why a baking soda tonic helps prevent CH. Seltzer Water and the Baking Soda Tonic both produce the same bicarbonate ion, HCO3- per the following chemical formulas, but that's where the similarity ends. Seltzer Water has a pH between 3 and 4 due to the carbonic acid formed when CO2 is dissolved in water under pressure. A solution of sodium bicarbonate (Baking Soda Tonic) has a pH of 9.3 making it far more alkaline. In fact, the carbonate concentration of the baking soda tonic is 100 times that of the carbonic acid making it more effective in elevating a low systemic pH and in the process, preventing CH. Seltzer Water (Carbonic Acid) has the chemical formula CO2 + H2O <-> H2CO3 <-> H+ HCO3- Baking Soda Tonic (Sodium Bicarbonate) has the chemical formula NaHCO3 <-> Na+ HCO3- http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1291969416/1025/#1025 In case you're wondering... I majored in Chemistry... Take care, V/R, Batch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alankoontz Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 On 11/16/2017 at 4:23 AM, Batch said: The following link to a post I made in 2012, should help explain how and why a baking soda tonic helps prevent CH. Seltzer Water and the Baking Soda Tonic both produce the same bicarbonate ion, HCO3- per the following chemical formulas, but that's where the similarity ends. Seltzer Water has a pH between 3 and 4 due to the carbonic acid formed when CO2 is dissolved in water under pressure. A solution of sodium bicarbonate (Baking Soda Tonic) has a pH of 9.3 making it far more alkaline. In fact, the carbonate concentration of the baking soda tonic is 100 times that of the carbonic acid making it more effective in elevating a low systemic pH and in the process, preventing CH. Seltzer Water (Carbonic Acid) has the chemical formula CO2 + H2O <-> H2CO3 <-> H+ HCO3- Baking Soda Tonic (Sodium Bicarbonate) has the chemical formula NaHCO3 <-> Na+ HCO3- http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1291969416/1025/#1025 In case you're wondering... I majored in Chemistry... Take care, V/R, Batch Thanks so much, Batch. That's really full and complete information. Cheers! Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alankoontz Posted November 22, 2017 Author Share Posted November 22, 2017 On 11/16/2017 at 4:23 AM, Batch said: The following link to a post I made in 2012, should help explain how and why a baking soda tonic helps prevent CH. Seltzer Water and the Baking Soda Tonic both produce the same bicarbonate ion, HCO3- per the following chemical formulas, but that's where the similarity ends. Seltzer Water has a pH between 3 and 4 due to the carbonic acid formed when CO2 is dissolved in water under pressure. A solution of sodium bicarbonate (Baking Soda Tonic) has a pH of 9.3 making it far more alkaline. In fact, the carbonate concentration of the baking soda tonic is 100 times that of the carbonic acid making it more effective in elevating a low systemic pH and in the process, preventing CH. Seltzer Water (Carbonic Acid) has the chemical formula CO2 + H2O <-> H2CO3 <-> H+ HCO3- Baking Soda Tonic (Sodium Bicarbonate) has the chemical formula NaHCO3 <-> Na+ HCO3- http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1291969416/1025/#1025 In case you're wondering... I majored in Chemistry... Take care, V/R, Batch Thanks so much, Batch. That's really full and complete information. Cheers! Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alankoontz Posted November 22, 2017 Author Share Posted November 22, 2017 And here is the seltzer product that helps me: http://ameliabeverages.com/history.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potter Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Let me guess, you might know a guy who knows a guy. Potter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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