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@ThatHurtsMyHead @Bejeeber @CHfather Edited version: This is not about takings sides, it's about the facts, and I never post, only DMs, as it's too personal for me and I am in very bad shape (chronic CH + HC + other basically terminal) and I have theoretically not much longer to live. And I urge and warn you all not to engage in group thinking! This Forum and clusterbusters.org is strictly not about that! Sorry CH father, I didn't know about jades activity, but still hold my position that "quantum" is a misused word from real science by pseudo scientific fake healers. Why? I will explain: Again, I hate to give credentials, but as a physicist, specialized in quantum mechanics, scientific philosophy and methods, and even Biomedical sciences and engineering, it makes me not only cringe but even very, very angry, because it is a form of manipulation of using fancy scientific words, that cannot possibly have to do with medical healing methods whatsoever. There may be quantum effects in biology such as in photosynthesis, but there is no empirical evidence in humans and specifically not in neurobiology has come to light and claiming of having some kind of method of "quantum healing" method is absolutely rediculous with the fundamental scientific knowledge we currently have and people using it are either ignorant or sadistic fake healers taking advantage of desperately ill and uneducated humans, willing to pay for anything. And the concept that past or even parents and grandparents traumas due to epigenetics is not new, Dr. Gabor Mate is one of the leading doctors in that, with decades of experience in palliative care, arguing very coherently and with absolute common sense how traumas effect our psycho-neuro-immuno-endocrinological systems and causing the sympathetic system (fight or flight) in overdrive, causing many diseases and syndroms, were our body is reacting towards our deep traumas and signaling something is not right in the form of certain diseases and syndroms, and he also advocates the use of psychedelic treatment as a healing tool that could help very much if used correctly, but he specifically says it also takes much more than that. And he specifically criticizes western medicine culture in many aspects that, also that one of the most used medications is prednisone, corticosteroids, as an inflammatory, but is also a natural stress hormon secreted by the kidney glands(adrenal glands) and does not make any therapeutic sense when our sympathetic system is in overdrive. I even ask Bob about his hypothesis and if he noticed a pattern with past traumas in all the clusterheads he met and he said he cannot advocate the trauma theory on TACs, because there is no scientific evidence or any kind of research, and I agree, because Cluster headache may be a neurological disorder based on other factors and just a part of human pathologies that exists, (cancer for example), and exact CH and TACs cause still completely unknown, but verified it comes from the CNS (central nervous system),(fMRI activity in hypothalamus in Cluster attacks, volunteers are true heroes staying completely still during an attack in the name of research). Evolution and the human body is not perfect, there are many "illogical" evolutionary developments in biology and anatomy (e.g. the vagus nerve) that cause all kind of inherently evolutionary diseases. We have lots of progressive observations the last two decades, but the whole cluster circuit is extremely complex i will not get into, because that's not the point of my post. I have stated very clearly the difference what Batch did and why "Quantum hypnosis" is not a thing, it's made up, why not just call and leave it at hypnosis, even if jade means well and contributed in the past, it doesn't give her any scientific or empirical or even citizen scienceship merit, because its completely and utterly unscientific, esoteric and pseudoscientific. And regarding what mainstream western medical science is doing and cgrp, is based on biomedical knowledge, its just they lied about efficacy and side effects and long term effects of CGRP antagonist in a very perverse manner. CGRP is an important signaling peptide, that has very important evolutionary functions since the cambrian age (538.8 million years ago lasting more than 50 million years) and is basically in every anatomical system and physiology of animals and the human body, in particular cardiovascular vasodilation and digestive physiology and many other systems. Goadsby may be very knowledgeable and influential about TACs, but he goes with the western conventional medical system, status quo and culture and for me is nothing more than a shill. Firstly if he would admit any indication that psychedelics are very efficient against CH he will not only ruin his reputation in the medical community, but also wouldn't cash in on the monoclonal cgrp Antagonist he invented. Goadsby is like a guru for neurologist and the statis quo, and I regard him as a greedy sociopath. And as Bob states in his lecture "psychedelics or suicide", they want you to have a heap of expensive medications and even more medications against side effects and psychological comorbidities instead of a couple of grams cheap MM, because that's where the big cash lies and one Emgality shot costs now more than 800 dollar where I come from (maybe 5-600$ before the inflation, all depends heavily on nations health systems), but Goadsby saw an opportunity and hit the jackpot and everyone trying this medication, me included, is basically a lab rat, because they don't know the long term effects and as you said not so successful against clusters and even migraines, it doesn't even cross the blood brain barrier and too many report serious side effects and are being ignored, me included. It's all about the business and profit and even two imitrex costs over 100 dollars where I come from for two shots and it is a disgrace to humanity, that they lie and don't inform that it causes for many Clusterheads crushing rebound attacks and may even lead to chronification and the pharma business loves the vicious cycle Clusterheads get trapped in, because it generates more profit, that is the mainstream and staus quo. Psylobsibin or LSD is in no way profitable for them, on the contrary, a multi-billion business would collapse, that's why they would never admit or even mentioned a peep about the psychedelic research studies in the recently published 'european medical guidelines for Cluster Headaches 2023', Goadsby name included in the title. And nothing really changed there. So I know the difference and i did not know jades activity in the past, but she is doing now advertisment of a pseudoscientific healing method, even if she means well, i will speak up, because misinformation does not belong in this forum. And her past activity has no merit in this case and doesn't mean it will work because she was very active due to her father, i have given enough reasonable arguments to be highly sceptical of her QHHT advocacy. And i oppose that vehemently, because it took me many years and extremely hard work to learn what quantum Mechanical Science does and actually means, and what is the difference between real science and pseudo science and know what the current status is in quantum biology, and it makes no single Biomedical scientific sense whatsoever and there is even no indication that neurons use quantum effects. Roger Penrose hypothesis that microtubules in cells may use some quantum effects and may be the seat of our "consciousness", but there is no evidence whatsoever and he admits its pure speculation and neurobiologist also see no evidence. The problem with quantum effects is quantum decoherence. Once the bigger the system is and more particles interact with each other (Atoms or Molecules) that follow the laws of QM, the more the quantum effects get lost due to the interactions and the wave equation becomes NON existent. And the scientific consensus is that neurons and other cells work with purely by action potentials (electric signals) and biochemical signalling and genetics, and no quantum effects in human physiologically have been scientifically discovered yet. Again, If anyone wants to do waste their money and time on QHHT or any "quantum healing" hocus pocus, that could maybe only help due to the placebo effect, which is an important biological self healing phenomena by itself (but in my experience and many other CH sufferers, placebo don't work shit against CH), then by all means do so and if thousands and thousands report it actually terminated their cycles and stopped from new cycles appearing, WITHOUT busting or any other medical treatment (confounding factors) than i will even try it myself. Until then, my skepticism and critique holds and you might just as well place crystals on your head! I will argue no more. If you have any questions, DM me, i am happy to answer if i can, but this not about taking sides, but about facts, and my most valuable currency, time, is very limited, and have wasted too much time already writing this, believe me, it was not easy editing and correcting spelling mistakes for me. Best wishes and well being to all human beings!

I'm siding with THMH and Jeebs on this one. Jade333 has made valuable contributions for a few years, so it's not like some spammer who just showed up. The challenge in one post above -- >>if your dad really was a ch sufferer, I am sorry for him and you, if your story is true, but my red flags have raised too much suspicion here<< -- seems likely to be unwarranted, since Jade333 wrote about her father here as long as three years ago. And whatever the differences might be (or might be perceived to be) between Batch's development of the D3 regimen and this "quantum healing," the fact is that there was a time at this site when people who even mentioned D3 were attacked, and there was even a strongly worded admonition to stick only to busting in responding to people. I got some very nasty PMs back in those days for suggesting that people might give the D3 regimen a try. (And of course, the same, but perhaps moreso, regarding the reception that busting got at other sites (and still gets at some Facebook sites).) On the other hand, the heavily invested-in and "scientifically" researched CGRPs seem, at least from what has been posted here at this site, to be not just a disappointment, but maybe even downright contraindicated. I have no problem with the core concepts as described by Jade333 -- that "many ... health concerns have to do with some sort of trauma to the body"; and I'm willing to consider that "those with Cluster and Migraine issues have past life traumas that are not addressed that have carried over to this current life." Of course, not everyone will accept that. Plenty of effective healing modalities based on at least one of those precepts work fine. Maybe it's placebo, maybe it's "real." Keep in mind that one of the top CH researchers, Dr. Goadsby, once asserted that the effects of busting were probably just placebo effects. (I don't know what Goadsby's position is today.) People who don't accept the premises of quantum healing, or who don't like the use of the word "quantum," don't have to do it.