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hmmm .. hmmm hmmm hmmmm http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16202528

so are CH's just different versions of the same thing ? Definition Trigeminal neuralgia (TN) is a disorder of the trigeminal nerve (fifth cranial nerve) that causes severe, shooting pain along one side of the face. The trigeminal nerve senses touch, pain, pressure, and temperature. It also helps make saliva and tears. The Trigeminal Nerve Nuclus factsheet image Copyright © Nucleus Medical Media, Inc. In TN, pain usually lasts for less than a second to a few seconds and may come and go for days, weeks, months, or years. It may go into remission or stop completely for months or years. Over time, though, the attacks may become more frequent and more severe. Causes In most cases, the cause is unknown. In some cases it may be caused by an abnormally formed artery or vein near the nerve. The blood vessel can compress the nerve and cause problems. Rarely, TN may occur as a symptom of another underlying disorder, such as: Tumor in the brain or head Multiple sclerosis Shingles Risk TN is more common in women aged 50 years or older. Having certain medical conditions, such as multiple sclerosis, or high blood pressure may increase your risk of TN. Symptoms The main symptom is searing pain on one side of the face. The pain may be felt inside the mouth or in the lips, cheek, chin, nostril, ear, or near the eye. Rarely, pain may occur in the eye or forehead. Twitching or wincing sometimes accompanies the pain. The pain is typically sudden, severe, and stabbing. Even though the pain is brief, usually less than two minutes, it can reoccur hundreds of times a day. Attacks can become totally disabling. They may seem to occur at random or be triggered by extremes of temperature, washing, shaving, touching, or tickling the face. There are usually no symptoms between attacks, except perhaps a dull ache.

oops sorry the above picture is Diagram of the ophthalmic division of the trigeminal nerve (fifth). This is a view of the right eye from above (c.b.z, communicating branch to the zygomatic nerve). Note: the ciliary ganglion is usually situated lateral to the optic nerve

so pushing on the nose would compact the supratrochlear nerve (if I even spelled that right) as well as the infratrochlear and pushing on the top of the eyeball would compact the supra orbital .. all looks like they lead back to the fifth nerve ?

heres a different picture ..

thanks all .. more to digest !

maybe you're stimulating the top portion of the occulomotor nerve ? does the picture look right ?

ok so you know you had me at my desk pressing on my eyeball ,, and I did find a sensitive spot there toward the upper outer portion. I will see if my son has tried this .. thanks (at least no one was walking by my office .. lol)

perhaps something inhaled that's in the home environment. try sleeping at work and see what happens .. lol .. no but seriously ,, mold in the home ? has any moved and had them improve ?

thanks so much CHfather. There is a silent reflux disease called LPRD or Laryngopharyngeal Reflux Disease wherein few patients with LPRD experience significant heartburn. Heartburn occurs when the tissue in the esophagus becomes irritated. Most of the reflux events that can damage the throat happen without the patient ever knowing that they are occurring. I will definitely look at your links !

Cool ,,I hope it helps your mum ! also I wonder if theres a genetic link between the 2 if you are a CH sufferer ?

Jeebs .. an you describe in a little more detail where you press please ? thanks

I think there is something to the stomach/CH connection ,, my son is out of phase right now so I will have to wait till next go-round to try some more of my theory on him. good luck ,, was also at a "Health/food/organic" grocery store yesterday where I saw pro-biotics in a little carton called straight shots .. or something similar.. I didn't get out of line to buy any but I should have. next time for sure.

wish I could find reviews from patients

just found this youtube look at the nerves dropping down into the palate.. maybe it is getting aggravated by something in the sinus cavity or mouth.

well,, a steroid is an anti-inflammatory ( I also have had many to my hips .. now I have two metal implants). so the steroid stops the inflammation of a ganglion. knowing what causes the inflammation In the first place is key. a study I just read stated they were able to bring on a cluster headache (who the hell would want to do that .. lol) by spraying Nitro glycerin into the sinus cavity. so some irritant getting into the sinus cavity can also bring one on then no ? gee I would love to win the lottery and just study this ..

the Vagus nerve is the MASTER OF ALL. it touches everything really, stomach, gut, heart brain. I have for some time thought the Vagus could be involved. Im trying to gather common other traits that might tie all CH'rs together,, cholicy as babies, ear nose thorat infections as children with lots of antibiotics, mal formed bone structure, etc etc. Just going to say ,, my son has stopped having his CH's but I do think it was time for him to stop. However I have been treating his acid reflux and he has been taking Mylanta before he goes to bed and anytime he starts to feel reflux. he skipped a night and felt bad the next day. Also he has always had a touchy stomach and has been known to vomit when sleep deprived.

thanks ,, I think theres a connection. My son was born with a collapsed lung on the side he has CH's also some bone deformities there as well ,,, hmmmmm

ok and to add to this ,, Now if Verapimil helps cluster headaches. And Verapimil does this by dialating blood vessels because it is a calcium channel blocker . which allows for more oxygen absorption. then maybe it is all tied to oxygen depravation. excerpt below Verapamil's mechanism in all cases is to block voltage-dependent calcium channels. Calcium channels are also present in the smooth muscle that lines blood vessels. By relaxing the tone of this smooth muscle, calcium-channel blockers dilate the blood vessels. This has led to their use in treating high blood pressure and anginal chest pain. The pain of angina is caused by a deficit in oxygen supply to the heart. Calcium channel blockers like Verapamil will dilate blood vessels, which increases the supply of blood and oxygen to the heart. This controls chest pain, but only when used regularly. It does not stop chest pain once it starts. A more powerful vasodilator such as nitroglycerin may be needed to control pain once it starts. Verapamil is also used intra-arterially to treat cerebral vasospasm.[12] Verapamil has been used to treat cluster headaches,[13] but it can also cause headaches as a side effect. I realize this thread is just a place to hold my own comments .. thanks for letting me store info here ya'll ... lol

I just cant shake my sons reflux problems .. they are so pronounced.

I just started thinking .. that if oxygen fixes it ,, lack of oxygen might cause it. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2121667 and GERD as stated in the study above this post can cause lack of oxygen and can do it quietly ,, and many times a day or night.

looking around for more info http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6713522

im going to go buy one of those finger thingys and watch my sons O's levels .. more later

odd that my son has cluster headaches odd that he has acid reflux at the same time period odd that oxygen fixes cluster headaches odd that acid reflux can cause de-saturation of oxygen http://www.gihepnews.com/single-view/reflux-associated-oxygen-desaturation-flags-pulmonary-gerd/54ef612fbdc522197e70b360258b2a29.html

,, thanks ,, just wanna know its like the X-Files .. the truth is out there ,, lol