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I never did any drugs either and started getting them at 17, i was the most clean cut person ever. Now i control these with MM.

No drug use for me until CCH. In fact using shrooms is greta for breaking addictions...

Be very careful on Trex - that shit will screw up and play havoc on your body - try to detox and bust.

Im not sure what he did either lol - i saw 2mgs and i assumed it was MM... Im not sure they sell 2mgs of xanax i think it is 4 and maybe he half it. lol... But if it was just xanax last night the half life of it i this is 12 hours - he should be good to go with a bust today in my opinion.

I strongly believe that there is a direct correlation to what you said in this . I think that could be one thing we all have in common is the way we deal with stress and other emotions and how we just kind of burry things and keep on chugging along. Really cool stuff...

Oh and before he busts should he go this route - make sure he is off any meds if he is on any at all. I have a paper that i wrote about busting if you would like it feel free to PM me. If any of you would like it let me know...

College = drugs which ='s getting magic mushrooms....College also brings about a lot of stress too. If he can get his hands on Magic mushrooms and because he seems to be episodic I would think that a good old fashioned bust would do the trick for him, but because he is in a cycle then it could take a few busts to work well for him...

Make it last longer than 1 year and 3 months and get on a regular maintenance dosing schedule - why not dose with MM every 3 months? This should really benefit you.

There is a lot more to this though - it could also be rebounds some of the meds you take could possibly be causing other headaches. have you tried to detox off all headache meds and then bust again with either paper or shrooms?

By the way I can't sleep when I bust - it won't let me for some reason so i am usually awake for 6 to 12 hours... But do NOT waste the shrooms you have and try again after you just tried last night , get some red bulls and stop all your meds for 4 to 5 days - that is important then use the red bulls and go out into the colds to help abort an attack. After those 4 to 5 days have passed with no meds then dose again.

I would stop all meds for 4 to 5 days first unless it is absolutely needed to live... Please DO NOT try to bust again tonight. It will do nothing for you. You need to wait at the minimum 4 days and the most 5 days which is better if you can go that long. The brain has a way of shutting a door in it and busting again will do nothing for you. You could always place a small cap under your tongue if you are getting hit again. You say you think you may not get the benefit - i bet you - you can, you just have to stay at it and be vigilant. Get off all cluster meds for 4 to 5 days - then go to a 2.5 gram dose and bust. Once you do this you are starting the rattle affect. You will know it working when you feel it. Keep at it - 4 days later bust again same amount - then let us know if you experience a slapback... and are you sure you have good meds by the way and not shiitake lol...

dry those suckers out... then measure it that way... Thats the best advice someone on here can give to you. It is so hard to know when they are wet.

ya - i would go 2 months from when your cycle ended. I would then do it every 2 months or 3 months - if u start getting small shadowy like sensations then bust. and then from there kind of time it out. Every 2 to 3 months would work for me. I did it every 2 months for the first year then went to quarterly after that or how i felt.

I have read your story before and we have also spoken a bit about it. I can't relate but the one thing I can tell you is that you have really altered your hormonal levels and have created a test deficit to say the least. However - this treatment is also being tested out on women as well. All of us women included have some level of T . It is finding that balance that might be key for you. When a man or woman takes in T it also increases estrogen - for a man most of us take a pill every other day to control it otherwise we grow breasts or have estrogen bloat. This also helps to bring down the SHBG that could be the key to all of this actually working for me. I am not sure about your situation (post op) don't mean to offend you at all. But i think if you are not then you have taken high doses of estrogen and still have the ability to naturally have normal testosterone levels if you wanted to. And actually for that matter even when a man takes in Testosterone the tsetse will shrink because they are now shutdown. the brain says don't produce because there is too much as it is. I really am not sure how you could deal with something like this at all in your situation. I understand you don't want to go backwards but this could be a huge factor in your situation.

Clomid will only raise T levels slightly - it does nothing to control SHBG - i would ask your doc for aromasin every other day at 25 mgs. this will kill your estrogen and raise your test levels 166% not to mention it lowers your shbg just enough.

To learn more about this - google stillman and testosterone for cluster headaches.

Here it is over one month later and i should be in a cycle and I am not. Doc has me on 200 MGS weekly testosterone cyp. I also take a pill called aromasin that kills estrogen every 3 days. My total test levels are in the 860's. The key to this is killing the SHBG and most of the estrogen. Working well so far. I split the injection up and do 100 MGS on Monday and 100 MGS on thursdays. So far so good. Vit M. on standby just in case but to be honest haven't felt this good in a long time.

Headscratcher - make it worth while and do a big dose ... don't mess around - you need to do like a 2.5 or even 3 grams and see if that helps. Thats what I found worked for me. I am actually trying testosterone injections right now. We will see how that goes , so far so good. It isn't just the testosterone it also takes some other things to get this to work. Best of luck...

So ....I have been doing a ton of research on the subject of testosterone for clusters. Stillman and lichten have some good research and I took it all into my PCP. He did some blood work and my test was actually sitting at 418. I am 40 and that is pretty good for my age. My free test was low. I am also getting ready to start a cycle soon. Around the first of October or about this time I start getting the old shadows. I told him I had been doing Vit. M and my supply has run out and I don't have time to start a new grow. I took him the research docs from still man and several others and I have been doing Testosterone injections weekly now. The goal is to get my Total T to around 900 - 950 but my SHBG down to around 15 or so. A lot of people that have tried this in the past were just given injections but no other medications to lower estrogen and SHBG. After a lot of research by my new PCP and a ton of phone calls he made he was given the protocol. So it has been about 6 weeks now and I have not had one shadow. I am still very nervous though and wish I had been around so I could have started a M grow. But traveling and work has kept me away. I will keep you all up to date. But the one thing I can tell you is this. I have been eating like a darn horse, I have gained about 8 pounds (no fat) still have a 6 pack, and libido is off the charts. My Total T last week was a little too high because of the other meds to drop my SHBG which pushed my Total T way up so we have been making some adjustments to the protocol dosing. Here is to hoping this works out....If anyone would like more information please let me know.

I would like to know if this treatment is still working for you? Did you only have the injections during the cycle? Are you now on T all of the time. Most of the time once you start TRT it is usually for the rest of your life, so I was wondering - did you stop taking T after the clusters went away?

My first time it helped - a week later completely blew them away... Now I just do maintenance doses every 4 months now...I was doing the maintenance dose every 2 months as well but have been able to stretch it out... In fact I was just thinking to myself the other day - oh crap I better get growing again before I am sorry.. I have been PF now for going on 2 years with the help from regular maintenance doses. I still avoid booze like the plague though.

I take a bunch of stuff - lol but I used to only take fungi and everything is fine in that department. I do however take D3 10k ius daily and this was way after the fungi - I take the D3 for other reasons I also take zinc , omega 3 fish oils and magnesium too.The onyl thing that works for me is fungi.

Thats a hard choice to make - If it were me I would not want the surgery and would stick with Vit M. Thats just me though and what I would do. I feel that with these things the less you do is the more. I would try and stick to a strict protocol of maintenance doses and see what happens for 6 months to a year. But this would be for me. If I could beat them for 6 months to a year I would keep doing the same routine. Thats a hard one to decide though.

Sorry to hear that for you Dan.... I wish you could get some relief and that things would work for you like they should. Good luck BG

Welcome Ravyn - Hope you get some pain free days. I live in Cali so we are somewhat close. Dont give up on the insurance battle. I used to call them daily and argue with them then i would go back to my doc and make him get on the insurance company - he had to write several explanations of why things were needed but I ended up getting what i needed in the end.