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:)Thank youuu everyone, I'm so glad I found a family, I really appreciate the wishes Very coool, 8-) I met few 18ers :)Oh yeah I will 8-)

It's very wise to start low I guess, but I'm not that wise when under the pressure of the beast. started with 60 seeds. I didn't want to take a chance it would be too much of a low dose and have no effect. All I risked was having a trip... not much chance according to what I had read on trippers' Web sites. I'm certain though the quality of the seeds is a variable, and so is the extraction method. My 4th bust with vodka, orange juice and peppermint tea (90 seeds) was quite different, seemed stronger in effects on my CH, but my CHs had already been busted 3 times, so it's hard to tell if it was really, and I could say I was starting to reach a tripping zone... barely. Certainly each person is different, every seed also... wisdom... step by step... yeah, but, but... I think uhhhhmmmm...A bust is a bust!!! Â Â Â Â Â Â Slams door open with foot and shoots My latest information is that 150 to 250 RC seeds is needed to have any trip. I will report on this sometime, but I would advise anyone to listen to wiser old timers of the board, not me newbie stuntmanÂ

Oh lol, I was surprised to see this thread up. Well thank youuuuuuu hope my many and sometimes long posts :-[ are helpful. Actually, I feel my landing here will become a... milestone in my life, especially since it comes on the half century mark. 8-) For me it's more than another year... as you say Brad, it's the coming of a time where I finally start to understand what's going on... what has been going on...

Anybody know how to get an english translation of this page? Ron Enhanced Google Translate translation of: http://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2011/10/28/une-rehabilitation-difficile_1595139_3244.html Hallucinogenic mushrooms: a difficult rehabilitation | 28.10.11 | 4:52 p.m. • Updated 24.01.12 | 3:47 p.m. Roland Griffiths is not the only one to work for the rehabilitation of psilocybin. But teams looking to test their medical effects are rare, despite initial success. In 2006, Francisco Moreno and colleagues at the University of Arizona have published the results of a pilot study that showed a significant reduction in OCD psilocybin. But this trial included only nine subjects, and Francisco Moreno said to have been there to end "because of the cost and difficulty in finding funding for such research. " Still in 2006, a team of Harvard published the results of the effect of the molecule on cluster headaches, a form of migraine among the most painful. Of 26 psilocybin users, 22 had reported their current CH attack being stopped.. A large proportion indicated that this decision marked the end of these migraines or an extension of the period of remission, whereas the doses used were too low to cause hallucinogenic effects. At Centre for Neuroscience Zurich, Franz Vollenweider notes ''a little come back of psilocybin, not a great return''. He resumed the study in the institute where the first doses of LSD were tested. Compared with ketamine, an anesthetic with psychotropic properties and that improves mood, psilocybin appears promising to this researcher: "It has fewer side effects. But it is more difficult to study because it taboo and runs into more stringent regulatory barriers" So he will be testing both compounds on patients with severe depression. Eliminate the effects hallucinogenic He points out that small pharmaceutical companies have shown signs of interest not for psilocybin itself, but for possible derivatives that could be extracted from it. In fact, the appeal for its biological action may be revived - indirectly - to the extent where it seems to act on brain pathways important to fight against impairment of memory, as in Alzheimer's disease. Thus, at the University of Caen, the team of Valerie Collot, professor of pharmacognosy (the study of medicines derived from animal or vegetable), is working on the development of analogs of psilocybin that would allow to set free from the hallucinogenic effects while improving memory. She says: "Our interest goes back in 2009, when an article by a Japanese team had shown that activation of certain serotonin receptors enhanced the memory." It so happens that these receptors, type 5-HT2C , have a strong affinity with psilocybin. The art of the Lower Normandy team will now be to synthesize compounds that mimic this affinity without presenting yet another one for the 5-HT2A receptor, which appears to be involved in the "a little more embarrassing." hallucinogenic effects. This type of chemistry is complex, because you have to find ligands both potent and selective, which do not interfere with other, and numerous, serotonin receptors,. "In mice, early results are quite encouraging, says the researcher. But to pass to humans, it will take several years of study. " Test compounds are not derived from psilocybin. "We synthesize them in five or six steps, then we optimize them." Is there a risk of falling on a hallucinogenic compound? "It is always possible, but I have not seen any particular effects on people who handle them. "All operations are done under vacuumed hood, so for one to expose oneself to the products like didn't hesitate to do Albert Hofmann - the creator of LSD, who also isolated psilocybin in the late 1950s - it should be wanting . "Early in my career I have experienced supervisors who tasted their prod ucts," said Valerie Collot. But she assures this "is ancient history." Hervé Morin Le Monde http://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2011/10/28/une-rehabilitation-difficile_1595139_3244.html

Hi and welcome sam. Yes, this all sounds very typical, but I'll let more experienced players confirm. You should start a thread, sam, and tell us a bit about your CH history. You should experience PF days soon; it might take 3 or 4 busts. Seeds worked for me, but 20 seems a low dose to me.

I used to be able to modify my posts :-? I found the article, but the Google Translate, while very good, is not perfect. Working on editing the translation and I'll post it here

I was going to tell you to type the url in google translate, chose the languages... http://translate.google.com/ ... but it seems this article disappeared on Le Monde's site searching...

coenzyme Q10... from Wikipedia: Supplementation of coenzyme Q10 has been found to have a beneficial effect on the condition of some sufferers of migraine headaches. So far, three studies have been done, of which two were small, did not have a placebo group, were not randomized, and were open-label,[47] and one was a double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trial, which found statistically significant results despite its small sample size of 42 patients.[48] Dosages were 150 to 300 mg/day. It has been used effectively in the prophylaxis of migraines, especially in combination with a daily supplement of magnesium citrate 500 mg and riboflavin (vitamin B2) 400 mg.[49]

hmmm, at first glance, it seems that: ''mercury accumulates in the hypothalamus and pituitary'' http://www.wholebodymed.com/library_education_details.php?pid=31 ''Mercury concentrates in and around a part of the brain called the hypothalamus''. http://mercurymadness.info/?page_id=14 In fish, mercury destorys or prevents the development of serotonergic neurons in the hypothalamus (Tsai). It also reduces the degradation of serotonin by inactivating MAO-B in humans who eat high-mercury fish and have blood mercury levels above 3.4 mcg/L (75th percentile – Piven was way above this). However other studies indicate that mercury may increase serotonin loss. http://neuroself.com/2011/05/03/jeremy-pivens-hypothalamus/ So maybe you're onto something, yes, Whooligun, although I have a hard time seeing how so little mercury (I had one filling when my CH started) could affect so much... and only one in one thousand people, how do you explain that? But I think everything relating to the hypothalamus and pituitary is worth searching. I will. also this http://www.mercurylife.com/mercurylife/fibromyalgia_club/ One interesting theory of fibromyalgia is that it involves dysfunction of the hypothalamus (...) it is well-documented in the scientific literature, from autopsies and other studies, that mercury is known to accumulate in the hypothalamus and pituitary gland specifically. For example, the pituitary glands of a group of dentists in Sweden had mercury levels almost 800 times greater than controls. But I don't see any headaches in the symptoms of either mercury poisoning http://mercurymadness.info/?page_id=14 nor fybromyalgia

I don't know if these articles were linked to elsewhere on the board before, but I thought they seem to fit well here :-) http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/24/magic-mushrooms-expand-the-mind-by-dampening-brain-activity/ http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/scicurious-brain/2012/02/08/this-is-your-brain-on-psilocybin/ http://www.nature.com/news/psychedelic-chemical-subdues-brain-activity-1.9878'> http://www.nature.com/news/psychedelic-chemical-subdues-brain-activity-1.9878 http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/01/24/active-ingredient-in-magic-mushrooms-could-be-examined-as-possible-treatment-for-depression-studies-suggest/ http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10781041 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/25/magic_mushroom_properties/ http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jan/23/news/la-heb-psychedelic-shrooms-01222012 In French http://bigbrowser.blog.lemonde.fr/2012/01/24/naturel-les-champignons-hallucinogenes-remedes-contre-la-depression/ In French about a French Alzheimer research group on non hallucinogenic psilocybin for Alzheimer http://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2011/10/28/une-rehabilitation-difficile_1595139_3244.html

It's an amazing feeling to hear that someone feels exactly like i do in these particular moments. Like every newbie here, I'm still astonished to find out I wasn't alone all these years... But anyways... that sounds a bit like meditation of some sort, don't you think, spiny?

hmmm yes, I agree, and yes they are profit driven... Yes they invent more drugs for the side effects of the first ones... Yes I had bad side effects on verapamil-lithium and my neuro seems to think that's normal... My grandpa was a countryside doctor starting in the late 1920's and I got my hands on some of his books (published in 1895, 1912 type thing) and it looks almost like shaman books, with natural products and herbs recipes... And he was known to look at the patient for very long minutes not talking... thinking (very intimidating apparently)... and was known to give accurate diagnosis. He apparently could tell the sex of the baby by listening to the heart beat through the mother's belly. I don't know if this is all true, he died when I was 3. But it seems to me he was using his intellect a better way than today's doctors who just apply what they have learned by heart. But still, we'd be quite lost without our hospitals and all the Rx there. I still rather this than be lost in the jungle with a bad fever

I have never been light sensitive at all when in a CH attack. As for sound: I don't care music or even talk radio, as long as I don't pay any attention to it and it remains in the background. Someone talking TO me though brings a sudden very sharp additive pain shot. When in an attack, I cannot and must not focus attention on anything in particular. The neighbor here has some sort of a pressure machine (?). Walls are cardboard :-P The other week, swaying to the beat of my CH in my kitchen, I hear the Pshhhhht of his dumb machine (a coffee machine??), and 3 times... that was 3 heavy pain slashes in my head. But my talk radio was on and didn't bother me as I didn't pay any attention. I think your light sensitivity shows you have migraines, no? But then again, I often sweat a lot while on an attack (not always), and the worst ones always see me throwing up at one point, and these two symptoms as far as I know are not closely linked to most cases of CH. As for toot filling, I'm certain it has an impact on health, but if it was related to CH, there would be not just one case of CH on 1,000 but much, much more.

Yes, you can do that. Then get rid of/replace the floaters. Then pat dry all the seeds. Then grind, then soak, then drink. Don't grind with anything that gets too hot (e.g., coffee grinder). I think the typically preferred method is more "crushing" than grinding -- with a mortar and pestle, for example -- but a hand-operated spice grinder is also fine. There was a time when 50 was considered a high first dose. I guess we've seen enough now to think that it's unlikely that you'll really "trip" at all from that number of seeds. I think around 35 is still the recommended first dose (up from about 20-25 when I first got here 18 months ago), but if you're comfortable with 50, go for it. I didn't feel like typing the procedure again with seeds and found this post from another thread from CHfather. I started with 60, them 80, then 90 (or something like that), then a fourth bust 2 days ago as I was feeling the CH crawling back in. For this 4th time, I used 90 good seeds (non floaters), and extracted the LSA using about one ounce of vodka mixed with cold peppermint tea and some orange juice. With the help of some cannabis, I can say it was getting close to a somewhat trip. I asked TrancePlants on what basis they had judged their seeds efficient following their own testing, assuming there were not CH sufferers and that if it is psychedelic trip the testing basis, how many seeds they use. Answer: shamanic use, 100 to 200 seeds depending on the person. So I'd say therapeutic for CH: 30-50 seeds if you want to stay conservative, up to 100 if you don't mind risking some (low) tripping. You will get infos here also http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cb/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1320275720/0 and here http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cb/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1283257635/0 where you will find also tingeling's "extreme situations" potion recipe. From my 4th busting experience, extracting with vodka and orange juice and peppermint tea seemed to have more power and that is what I will do next time, letting it soak a day or two (2 hours this time). Peppermint tea and/or alcohol is said to turn the LSA into LSH. Is that true? I don't know. Is LSH more effective for CH? I don't know. The turning of LSA into LSH seems to come from trippers Web sites, looking for the buzz from the seeds, but maybe LSH is more efficient on CH... I think no one knows for sure. Mj, please note that the amount of seeds mention here only concern RC seeds. For MG or for HBWR seeds, it's quite different

I posted my anger about possible links between pharmaceutical companies and neurologists recently, can't remember where, think it was on CB.com (maybe CH.com) but some people replied I was wrong thinking this way, and a neurologist from Boston posted here on CB.com about this (another thread), saying the pharmaceutical have helped so many people... and that he was shocked to hear people think the doctors and the pharmaceutical companies are linked commercially. He said the only aim of any doctor is to help heal the patients and that the pharma helps that, and that no one should bash them. Well It's true the pharma has helped many sufferers of many pains and diseases through the years, and they would help us too if our substance wasn't class 1 prohibited.

OMG, I wonder if he was serious. Can't be. It was just to scare you off. I can't see a neuro claiming such an urban legend. Syd Barret was obviously schyzo for sure to start with, and I'm not sure he even ever took LSD at all. It's even disgusting to hear professionals say such stupidities, All I have been reading on LSD these past weeks tell of a very low toxicity drug, and I feel it's impossible a neuro didn't at least read some info on LSD in their studies, as they could be called to treat someone who is doing an LSD badtrip, and they must know Vallium is then what has to be given to calm down the overtripping. I mean they have to know this. LSD has been legal and used under medical conditions for 20 years before being banned. If they don't know, I wonder what they know exactly. I'm shocked

I can't see why not, really. I know there is trouble with Ukraine, Russia, but I heard of no troubles about Pakistan. The RC seeds suppliers actually get their inventory partially from India, so I'm certain you're surroundings is a perfect place to grow these flowers, therefore, you might even find some in your neighbourhood. They are called Rivea Corymbosa, Turpina Corymbosa. RC, or Ololiuqui. Hawaian Baby wood rose seeds (HBWR) also contain same substance, and also Morning Glory seeds (MG). These can all grow very well in Pakistan I'm sure. Search and look around. But check out the Web sites selling RC seeds, www.iamshaman.com, www.TrancePlants.net, www.psychoactiveherbs.com, www.salviasupply.com and see about shipping in Pakistan. Email them. See my other post about a great deal on RC seeds at TrancePlants.net. They will answer your email within 24h good searching and please post back, we want news on your path

I suspect many didn't notice the great news announced in this thread http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cb/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1328479066/8 The quality of TrancePlants RC seeds was put in question, I emailed them, they examined their seeds and after a few tests, they admit 25% of their seeds are floaters and that these floaters are probably less if not effective. So they offer us clusterbusters a 25% rebate. So since their prices are very low from the start, I think it makes it a fantastic deal on RC seeds. It's their seeds I used to bust, it worked well. I have no interest in promoting them other than I'm a little bit proud that they are from around here. They answered my email within 24h and tested (seems legit) their seeds following that email and report admitting they have 25% floaters. Sounds very honest from them. That's why I took on me to help promote them, as it also helps us (good deal)

Most people on this board will agree cannabis and hashish are triggers. It may help one to "drive" the CH in between attacks, but there are very few who claim it's a busting agent. One did. I think it's in this thread: An older thread on this came back up recently. Interesting info and experiences: http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cb/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1274593344/0

Hi Nj, There certainly are people on this board with experience or more knowledge than me of the experience of others who can give you better advice, but I would certainly have tried LSD if I could have gotten my hands on some. But first, are you sure it's LSD? Pure LSD? If so, go ahead and try, but there are drugs on the street they sell as LSD and that could be 2C-B or DOM, and although these will have you trippin for sure, it's not certain at all it would help your CH attacks or cycle. But if you're sure you have pure LSD, it's difficult to know how many micrograms is in a tab you'd buy... from what I read, 250 micrograms will get you tripping (400 and more is a total psychedelic trip, 12 hours, maybe more if you take really too much, and if you do, vallium will calm down the over-trip or badtrip), 125 micrograms would probably not get you any trip, or very little, and from what I read, and my own experience with RC seeds (LSA), I think around 80 micrograms of LSD would heal you and not get you tripping. (from Wikipedia) : DOB has been sold on blotter paper (and presumably represented as LSD).[4][5] Misrepresentation as LSD could be potentially dangerous, as DOB does not have the known safety profile of LSD (...) Upon tasting the chemical, if one notices a highly bitter or "chemically" taste, this should serve as a warning sign that the drug is not LSD, but likely a psychedelic amphetamine (DOB, DOC, DOI or Bromo-DragonFLY).[citation needed] However, blotter paper may have a taste regardless of the chemical on it, due to ink or solvent used Now I can't find right now my sources, but I have read somewhere that in the 1970s, LSD tabs were generally 250 or 300 micrograms and that they reduced nowadays generally to around 150, but I'm really unsure of that info, and I have no idea if this applies to your part of the world. But I think you'd be safe to have very little psychedelic effect if you take half a hit of LSD. If ever you take too much LSD, my opinion is that you'd only be tripping 12 hours. LSD has a good medical low toxicity report. No one ever died from an overdose of LSD. Even a documented very high overdose (think it was 30,000 micrograms) wasn't lethal nor drew bad consequences. All I have been reading on LSD shows it's a very powerful drug, but very low toxicity. LSD has been legal and used in medical conditions and supervision for years (1947-1967, correct me if I'm wrong anyone). The only red light on it is mainly: it may trigger a latent psychotic condition. If you suffer from any psychotic trouble, don't take LSD or mushrooms. There is a possibility that the latent psychotic condition is not apparent, no symptoms. This happened to my friend's daughter who was diagnosed with schizophrenia after some trip on I'm not sure what drug, condition that she didn't know about prior to the drug trip. Well in these cases, it's impossible to know, but one thing seems very clear for every medical professionals who wrote on the subject: this psychotic trouble would have risen to the surface eventually anyways for sure, LSD or not. But as I warned earlier, are you sure it's LSD? Pure LSD? And what were the conditions of the lab that made it? are there still traces of solvents?... all kinds of questions that can hardly be answered. Why can't you order RC seeds online? Since you have the weather, maybe you could even grow them. Please keep us informed of your experiences, it's all about gathering data. wish you pain free days

Wow great news!! and 10% of your profits, that's very generous. Congrats Thank you, Hurray how do we spell this... Hourra!! Bravo! MerveilleuxÂ

That's great news; thanks for what seems to be a genuine rational analyze of your inventory; we'll spread the word for sure, and thanks for supporting us clusterheads [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

this is amazing CHfather. The few people claiming to be somewhat medium I met all said they have felt deep energy from me... I'm not sure what else they had said and it matters not, but I'm now linking your daughter's aura... hypothalamus... duality... hehe La Belle et la Bête (literature comes back up)... As for the Beast, I've been thinking... And I think before landing on these boards, I didn't use the word beast, but rather ''monstre'', and monsters are not as mean as beasts, I find anyways. They're even funny at times I always lived with my monster, it's part of me now, and think I found allies to ride its energy 8-) you all thank you

I studied French literature and have learned there (UdeM) that everything is in literature... literature comprises everything. Not only one can read or write whatever imagination may seed, but fiction is often the best way to get onto any subject or problem. I find it very significant that this philosophical/mystical and interesting thread started from fiction. The recent Time article on psilocybin opens on a quote from Aldous Huxley who better than any scientific report and before them explained the action of the product on the brain. ...if we could get a blockbuster movie with a main character suffering CH... imagine the power of that : if anyone hasn't yet read the article, it's very well written: http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/24/magic-mushrooms-expand-the-mind-by-dampening-brain-activity/