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I do not suffer from cluster headaches but have suicidal depression, I've tried everything

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After researching the affects on psilocybin, I have a hint of hope that I could possibly get over being chronically suicidal. Does anyone know where to get this treatment? I'm desperate. I live in wilmette  near Chicago, can drive

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Dear GBeth,

Check your PM InBox.  I've sent you a message that should help.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

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GBeth,

I sympathize with your situation.  In some ways it seems similar to having CH.  I would ask that you use caution in any decision you make on treatment.  I don't know if it's fact or fiction, but when I did my research on self treatment many years ago.  I read a good bit about psychedelics triggering deeper psychological issues in people that already had them, or had latent issues.

If you do seek self treatment please make sure you have good set and setting:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_and_setting  Set and Setting is important for not only the experience, but for the after experience as well.  A good sitter should not drink or take anything during a dose, and should also have a very good understanding of Set and Setting, what they should do and some things they should not do while being a sitter.  A peaceful listener in my opinion is the best sitter.  

I'm certainly no doctor, nor have any experience with the type of challenge you're experiencing, but wish you luck, and sending you positive thoughts for your recovery.

Love all,

J

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Suicidal ideation is serious stuff.  There is very strong evidence that therapy with ketamine will knock out the harmful thoughts and allow therapy to progress positively.  I personally believe it would be a harmful idea to attempt to manage your situation using psychedelics without knowledgeable support.  Depending where you live there are an emerging number of practioners who know how to use these medications effectively.  Please seek appropriate support.

 

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Suicidal ideation is serious stuff.  There is very strong evidence that therapy with ketamine will knock out the harmful thoughts and allow therapy to progress positively.  I personally believe it would be a harmful idea to attempt to manage your situation using psychedelics without knowledgeable support.  Depending where you live there are an emerging number of practioners who know how to use these medications effectively.  Please seek appropriate support.  This is a study now enrolling again that you might consider.    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03866174  Also there is a multicentered study going on sponsored by MAPS.  When conventional treatments fail its is worth looking at some of the sanctioned research.  T

 

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Hi guys,

I am sorry if this seems like i am hijacking this post, however it caught my attention. So instead of starting a new post, i thought i could get my answers here if nobody minds.

As per all my previous posts I am an ECH sufferer from the age of 16. I just turned 41 on the 16th of September.  Yes, I hang on to the hope of it going away at this age as per my neurologist but if this journey has taught me anything, its to not put all your hope in one place.  Let's just say a part of my inner self wants to believe this can be possible.

Moving on, my last cycle ended after one year roughly around my birthday in 2019.  I had a Sphenopalatine Ganglion Block done.  They opted for the "needle" through the side of my face route instead of the nasal cavity. Was painful. No anesthetic besides the local the rubbed on the skin before insertion.

After the block I had 3 days PF and then a week of CH and then they stopped. I am till this day, not sure if the cycle ended or the block helped. I wont be hopeful there either.

So I just wanted to know, pertaining to "Suicide", 

The thought is constantly in my head (or whats left of my head) every damn day, whether I like it or not.  I have days where I don't think of the beast returning, however, I feel suicidal. Heck, i attempted suicide twice and then realized that it was not my time since obviously my ghost is not typing on here. (Some one needs to teach me how to tie a knot properly and Co2 tastes terrible and gets messy lol)

Also, the thing that seems extremely magnetic to the thoughts of suicide are the terrible depression and anxiety I constantly live with every day to the point that I dont know whether to hope the cycle starts or what?  I am not eating properly and lost 20kg's from being at 78kgs.  I am a real a$$hole towards people and i am unable to control it, nor can I defuse the situation if I tick someone off as I get hot headed even more and given the fact that both my hips are replaced, I would be pulverized, should things get nasty.  But this "attitude" of mine wont let me calm the hell down.

Yet I was never like this before. Seriously, I wasn't. Batch can vouch for me, he spoke to me a while back.

My question is regarding this Ketamine Infusions.

I have researched it to a certain degree and from a "normal" persons perspective, and it sounded like candy to me. 

I called the clinic that specializes in this infusions here in SA, and they are obviously willing to drench me with it, however, I wanted to hear what you guys have to say about it from a CH point of view?

Is it really safe? will it bring on a cycle? Does it really help for someone in my situation?

As mentioned, I am depressed, suicidal, anxious, in pain from the new hip joints since i lost weight, the muscle is frail and can hardly hold up my new prosthesis's (if that's even a word for multiple Prosthesis lol)

Please also bare in mind that I do not respond well to any sort of drugs. Even simple things like weed etc. It just makes me paranoid.

So i stay away from drugs and alcohol and have been so for all of my life, except for the time I tried them of course.

I decided to OD on O2 should he return going forth and nothing else. Not even the D3 regimen since that was a fail and I didn't respond well to any of the stuff I tried.

Yes some are going to say that I did them wrong and didn't get the correct stuff etc, and you are correct. That's cos SA is the shittiest country on the planet and no one like helping others here.

I am tired of being treated like a drug addict during those mornings that I find myself in the ER before they give me oxygen, you know know those times also, I'm sure... when you could kill the Dr and the nurses for seeing to you after the beast has grated half your brain out and all yo wanted was a "breath of fresh air" cos you ran out.

I have made peace with the fact that I am a sufferer and may or may not proceed to be one going forward. However, I want my next few days, months, years to be "normal" and if you think Ketamine could do this, then please leave me a comment.  It is expensive and as we all know since CH are not classified as a chronic condition by medical insurances here, we have to dig past the holes in our pockets to hopefully find a penny in our shoe to pay for all the meds, Oxygen etc. Hence I run out.

Hopefully, someone can improve on an O2 machine that will eventually generate the flow rate and concentration that we require, instead of people like me wheeling a tank up and down, fking up my hips even more every 3 days (During cycle)

Everybody responds differently to stuff. I posted this in the hope that I find my difference.

PF Wishes Buddy's :)

Mind the spelling and pardon my sarcasm, the author has nothing left on the right side of his head.

 

 

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@Snowflake 

 

Lots of stuff going on my friend.  Stay strong and determined.  Life is a gift and even if you have to eat shit a lot the times in between offer you an opportunity to make the world a better place.

 

Regarding suicidal ideation.  This is very common for clusterheads.  We all know its is true and survey data and personal stories all support the disproportional number of folks who choose to exit this earth and reenter the cosmic stream.  The option of suicide can be empowering because you have the control NOT To Do It.  Its good to have options and no one can take that away.  It is much better to deny the beast the pleasure of self destruction and seek ways to improve the world.  That way everyone wins.

 

Ketamine has remarkable potential to help break a cycle of suicidal ideation.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4380583/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5356805/

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/does-ketamine-hold-promise-mitigating-suicide-risk

http://scivisionpub.com/pdfs/titrated-serial-ketamine-infusions-stop-outpatient-suicidality-and-avert-er-visits-and-hospitalizations-918.pdf

 

Now pay attention, this is important:  The efficacy of ketamine and other classic psychedelics is in the context of knowledgeable directed therapy.  These approaches need to be supervised by someone with familiarity and mental health training.  The drugs put one in a state of mind to do the difficult work of therapy and get favorable long term results.

 

Sure there are folks who believe they can do it alone, don't need help, the drug itself will get you what you need.  This is patently false and dangerous when done by someone who is in mental distress of has an underlying psychological problem.  Psychedelics in a mentally healthy person can be a great tool of self exploration but an unstable soul can get in real trouble with self directed trouble.  There is an enormous upside to using psychedelics to treat a variety of recalcitrant mental health conditions but individually guided therapy is a recipe for a bad headline.

 

Be strong, stay strong, figure out how to get what you need.  Knowledge is   empowering

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Thank you for responding. It means alot to me. I hear what you are saying. I can only hope that this Dr knows entirely about cluster headaches. Upon chatting with him, he mentioned that he has administered this to CH sufferers and it helps them deal with the PTSD . Even so, upon my consult with him face to face, I will bombard him with further questions to try and gauge whether he really does know what he is doing. The trouble in SA is that sadly, Ch awareness is pushed under the carpet which probably sits on an unmarked grave. I do try to raise awareness wherever I can. Finding more of 'us' is a challenge here. However your inspiring comment about me finding or having a purpose here to fulfill, gives me joy, I must say. I find myself just staring at a blank wall some nights. I feel the need to keep my mind busy in order to keep my mind from being filled with negativity. Look up at the ceiling for a place to tie a rope... It's difficult my friend. Suicide seems like such a wonderful thing to me. But you know, leaving everyone behind is not easy either. So that balances that thought. 

I will give Ketamine a 'shot' and when I do, I will be sure to enlighten you and the rest of my experience. Maybe it will help others. 

Been a pin cushion all my life. So what the heck.

And thanks for the heads up. I appreciate it.

Pf wishes

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I would continue to caution and emphasize nuanced differences.  Do not let desperation be your guide.  There is much confusion regarding psychedelic treatments and expectations.  When it comes to psychiatric conditions like PTSD, treatment resistant anxiety, treatment resistant depression and end of life trauma psychedelics act like a conduit to facilitate active therapy.  To achieve maximal benefit the psychedelic therapy should incorporate preparation, a psychedelic experience in proper set and setting with a knowledgeable guide/therapist and meaningful integration.   This can take many forms and most societies have appropriate folks to serve these roles.   

Cluster headaches are a bit different.  intervention with the psychedelic may actually be therapeutic without all the other support.  Sure being properly prepared and tuned in makes the experience positive and certainly the "afterglow" helps deal with some of the life altering effects clusters cause but psychedelics seem to have robust effects in many to space out or stop cluster cycles.  We still need better evidence this really works but it sure seems to have promise.

So taking ketamine by itself even if the administrator has skills solely related to safe administration has the potential to be effective for cluster headache relief.  If you want it for anxiety or PTSD adjunctive therapy is important.  If you do pursue seeing a person qualified to administer ketamine therapy be sure to ask them to include some decadron (steroid) and have the high flow O2 available.

 

 

 

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