Bejeeber

Sounds like a mighty fine idea to me. My impression has been that there are a much higher percentage of chronics here than over at ch.com - I figure it's probably because busting still tends to be approached as the last resort when it actually shoulda been the first resort. -Jeebs the episodic CH'er

Oh he's nobler'n a mofo.  I concur with CHf's advice regarding the efficiency of consolidating the questions/answers into a dedicated thread. And D'heads, your sense of urgency is 110% understood - good on y'all for coming here, diving right in, asking the questions, and your determination to deal with this absolutely ASAP. Tip: CHf's advice is always golden. Well at least 99.9% of the time.  8-)

Well if you need more iron, THIS is your ticket! ;D

I'd like to quote the bb: "It's twue, it's twue!"

Hey Odin, Sounds to me like you may seriously want to get back to that *vitamin M* that helped you last time. It sure has done the trick for me and many others (including Georgians) and we talk about it openly here all the time, although if I remember correctly the Share Your Busting Stories forum is more secure for discussions. Your situation sounds plenty bad alright, but the fact that something has been shown to work, something nature provides that grows right at our feet for cryin' out loud, makes it appear as if there's a light at the end of the tunnel, and this time it's actually NOT the usual oncoming train commandeered by the beast!

I so wish I had some advice other than what's already been offered, but I just don't know jack about the DBS thing, or what the complications could be from your history of having been blasted with that 480v. :'( If you're still interested in the high LPM O2 after this crisis has passed, I know there were some links to some pretty cheap 25 LPM regulators on Ebay floating around that may still be good if $ is an issue. if you're in a cold part of NV, I don't suppose getting outside and deep breathing the cold night time air through the nose for 10 -15 min helps any does it? (It helps some of us some of the time). Sorry, just grasping at straws here.Â

Besides what the fellers already offered up, I know I've seen Batch bring up "arterial PH" in cases like these, where he used to recommend the specific cal/mag/zinc thing that he now advocates as part of the D3 regimen...

Hey Tim, That doesn't sound good at all , and we certainly know all too well from experience exactly what you mean. :'( BUT (there's always a big butt) lots of people here who were in that same boat for wayyyy too long, finally begrudgingly considered busting as a last resort, only to find out it should have been the FIRST resort! Plus there have been developments where some CH'ers are finding that the plant life (Rivea Corymbosa seeds) that indigenous peoples have used successfully for CH etc. for thousands of years packs a powerful preventative punch, with little to no side effects other than a good night's sleep when taken before bed. It's legal to order and possess. Yep, that's just for starters, so please hang out here a bunch, get the skinny on the latest breakthroughs, and let's see if you can join the ranks of long time CH'ers who've found significant relief, gotten off the toxic chemicals, and gotten the 'ol life back. Here's some really good, interesting TV and press coverage, etc., that can get you up to speed in a jiffy: A clip from the recent National Geographic documentary featuring our Dan (Hipshot) here who will likely be around and available to blab with: http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/national-geographic-channel/shows/drugs-inc/ngc-mushroom-medicine/ A Newsweek article about Clusterbusters: http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/10/14/the-psychedelic-solution.html A video talk by this site's founder Bob Wold:

Let's hope so! CHfather has a way of laying everything out for CH'ers that's tuff to beat! Meantime I'd like to emphasize the importance of going to a headache specialist for the diagnosis. Garden variety neuros generally don't know jack about CH and more often than not will do you wrong.Â

Hey Veg, Sorry to hear the beast has returned, but thanks for the update. Yeah I'm afraid zee beast is known to morph like that - the same thing happened with mine. GOOD LUCK WITH THE UPCOMING BUST!Â

[move]kaboom wrote on Today at 3:36pm: Jeebs...do you regret showing me this "coolness"???                                        Regret it? Never! Filled with pride more like it. ;D [/move]

It's kinda funny - I had a very pleasant first bust listening to a well planned playlist of music. My second bust was much more spur of the moment right after an unexpected low level hit and not well planned out. So I lie down as the mushrooms are REALLY taking effect and out of the corner of my eye I see a spider crawling towards my face. A real one, not a hallucination. So I'm off to a great start killing spiders. When I lie back down and close my eyes, the patterns I'm seeing look very much like *swarms of insects* and *claws grasping*. Then Jimi Hendrix's Voodoo Child comes on. I didn't think that choice of songs through. At all. Bad enough that it's in that darkest black key of Eb and has a spooky vibe to it, but next thing you know there's the spoken word commentary he does at one point: "I don't take none of that acid no more, I just want you to know" WRONG LYRICS ALERT WRONG LYRICS ALERT I give myself a grade of F for that set and setting. Note to self: Jimi's beautiful vibe instrumental 'Pali Gap' would've been a much better choice.

Wow I'm surprised to be hearing of lisuride for the first time here myself. I know that when I see a message board topic title that simply has the name of a drug I haven't heard of, my eyes can glaze over and I tend to skip to more "interesting" topics, hence my delay at arriving here. Maybe this topic could attract more attention if it was named something more like "Lisuride. Prescription drug made from LSD. Works for CH?"

All I know is I'm from fecking Dumb-ass-cuss.

What CHf just said, although I'd like to just add an exclamation point: ! Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

I don't know if it would make a nausea difference at all, but personally I tend to think of floater seeds as spoiled food that can't do ya any good, so it's good to toss 'em. In fact I get rid of the floaters amongst my raw sunflower and pumpkin seeds before chowing down -Â I was told seed floaters in general have gone bad, are rancid, and aren't good for ya.

Maybe you can write it off as a medical experiment in search of an effective new treatment. Lord knows I'm not the only one who has shoved capsicum (cayenne) cream up the shnoz back in the day in an effort to abort an attack. I'm sure tabasco in the eye has to be worse though.Â

It does seem as if for some us, certain busting agents will work better than others. I'm afraid RC stopped working for me too, but mushrooms are currently doing the trick. Others have had the opposite experience. Plus I suppose we can always revisit the prep instructions to make sure we're doing everything right there - I think I'll probably try RC again at one point, but crush the seeds more gingerly, and "float" the seeds first to weed out the dead ones. Something else I'm thinking of trying is combining seeds with mushrooms mainly in hopes the seeds will mellow out the mushroom experience some (thanks for the idea, Kaboom). Kudos to you for hanging in there with us using just the phone, Buzz, you're doing a good job of proving it can be done! Yep, I do think CH'ers and their supporters do tend to become more open minded as a result of the experience. And heck the mushrooms/tabs etc. don't hurt in this regard either. A positive side effect.

Berfday greetin's to Brad and the fabulous Spiny son! [smiley=birthdays.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]

Why yes, yes it is. Because he's a fecking A-HOLE and MO changing is absolutely one of his tactics. > Still, I'm confident you'll be able to tell him "hey MO this you futher mucker!!", and show him what a little KO action is all about.

;D

Can see that you've been 'round the cluster block on numerous occasions, and know all about O2, busting, etc. Still I figure it might be worth asking if you think RC seeds would be something to consider if you do another bust, since for many of us there's no trip - just a good night's sleep - associated with them when they're taken right before bed....

Just wanted to check in here to confirm that you're using high liter flow 100% O2? (Seems most doctors that will prescribe O2 are still prescribing low flows around 10 LPM with a canula or rebreather mask, and aren't aware that liter flows at 15 to 45 LPM or so with a non rebreather mask are MUCH more effective for so many of us).

Hey Buzz, I'm also interested in finding out what you've tried as the others asked about. If that's your tattoo it looks like you're already familiarized with mushrooms and O2.... And damiano, I see you found and posted that MSNBC link you were talking about, thanks. This Newsweek one is much more focused on CH and worth it's weight in gold IMO: http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/10/14/the-psychedelic-solution.html

The burnout reports I recall have mainly been from middle aged CH'ers where it runs in the family and they say their parent's CH had burnt out. I wonder if the likelihood of CH burnout depends any on how young the CH'er was when it started? I suspect it does, but I guess that falls under the category of hunch, as I have nothing resembling hard data to back it up.