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This was the cause of 4.7 metric honkloads of LOL in Gnashville. ;D

Yep when it rains it pours and when it pains it roars (into the toilet!). Sounds like you're suspecting the pain pills for the back coulda run interference with the busting, and that sounds like a reasonable theory to me too. Glad it has stopped paining/roaring there - phew! - and here's to continued clear skies in the forecast!

Happy B Day to da ROCK! 8-)

AMEN - that fact definitely does not blow in the toilet - and the congregation is deep in prayer that there shall be no more infernal toilet blowing.

I haven't been following the BOL thing much but I have to wonder if they need to proceed with extreme caution - if they illegally dispensed some now it could blow the whole deal and delay the development of BOL indefinitely, so they probably feel they have no choice but to let current CH'ers twist in the wind while they try to get BOL approved and on the market so it can help multitudes of CH'ers for a long time to come? Of course there certainly are folks illegally making LSD in labs for distribution - I wonder if they are the more likely ones to try to get to make and distribute some BOL while they're at it? Not that I have any idea who they are. Hipshot that just royally blows - "blows into the toilet!" - (I just made that one up) that you could be getting slammed big time again right now after all of your previous success. > WTF??!! is right. Throw in a bad trip and of course this would be getting anyone really down right now. It very well may be a temporary blip - and you may get right back into being busted again so hang on there Hipshot! Meanwhile I figure we probably have to try not to let thoughts that originated during bad trips follow us too much afterwards (can be easier said than done - I know). Wondering - did you try any anti-anxiety herbs such as skullcap or such during the last busting attempt? So sorry to hear that CH has roared back and is really making your ship hot, Hip Shot. :'(

GOOD ONE!!

Always very inspiring to hear of such successes! Thanks for relaying the great New Year's news Kleinsopp, and a big thank you to mother nature for getting Kleinsopp there.Â

Not cool to get ambushed outa the blue like that without even a tingler or hint! > This beast does NOT play fair, does he? > Glad you'll be able to give him another well deserved bust in the chops.

I wish it made me look like a mountain lion. Those are the best lookin' creatures on the planet IMO!Â

Yes before I hung a left I could've mentioned that a headache specialist is usually the only one who'll know anything. The only knowledge most run of the mill neurologists have about CH is a couple catch phrases they learned, and they're both wrong.

Yeah as the decades have flung by it's gotten to the point where the hits can and will happen at any time of day or night for me (when I'm in cycle that is - I am one LUCKY lucky episodic). For the first 20 years or so of my 30+ years with CH I would never ever get a hit during my waking hours after nightfall (before bed) and was able to meditate every evening with no concern. I would try to claim those were the good 'ol days, but in recent years I've learned from fellow clusterheads on these 2 sister forums such effective ways to fight the beast that so far I've been able to consistently hit him back with nice crunching knockout punches , so these are more like the good days now, even if being on 24 alert is necessary. Meditating while treating - hey that does sound like it could be a heckuva voonderbar experience. 8-) With music or without?

Hey Sam, well glad to see you've been getting the great advice here - you are definitely going to find MUCH MUCH more effective ways to deal with this beast. I see you had a typical encounter with a terribly ignorant doctor who prescribed imitrex pills because he gets migraines (you're right of course, the pills are way too slow - if you're going to use imitrex, injectible is the most effective form). Here's the sad thing about most doctors IMO - they are arrogant, ignorant harm doers of the worst sort when it comes to CH. And I'll re-emphasize the point that any alcohol is a HUGE mistake. Anecdotally - like naps and sleep, I actually find meditation to be a trigger for CH when I'm in cycle. That is one ironic rip off.Â

Agreed. Sigh. We humans have concocted many twisted and back asswards taboos, stigmas and laws. Historically I guess we can see it's kind of our nature to do so. Case in point: In much of modern society, prednisone use, although extremely dangerous, is fully accepted and encouraged, but a plentiful little mushroom that grows wild and is more effective than just about anything else known at stopping the most excruciating head pain known to medical science is ILLEGAL to use medicinally??!!

"Oh Dan..." LOL! ;D

That's very interesting, especially since I know that anxiety can be a mushroom side effect during the short time one is under the influence. Oddly I find that they seem to have a calming / anti-anxiety after effect though - anyone else noted that? I actually have a bottle of skullcap herb here and plan to take some with the mushrooms next time I dose, as I read in the shroom guidelines it is a recommended anxiety easer, and unless I find out there's any reason not to, I'll be considering taking valerian and other relaxing herbs at the same time too. I figure that when we have herbs that are relaxers at our disposal, might as well take them instead of drugs, for some of the same reasons we've found mushrooms to be preferable to drugs.

Yeah, I just figure that when something like that goes ripping trough your head, there's gotta be damage to recover from. It's actually been a justification for taking preventative or abortive meds for me in the past, since some of the meds felt like they did less lingering damage than an actual attack would've.

Oh lordy another video opportunity missed! Can you imagine what kind of a killer video could be made - especially set to the right music - with clips such as Tingeling charging down the street in full sprint mode (maybe a slow motion close up would work nicely) juxtaposed with Kaboom's turkey neck and cheek fat pulling vacuum cleaner escapades!? Come to think of it slow motion could be good for Kaboom's stuff too. ;D

Well if you adopt the approach of just slugging down the seeds right before bed maybe you can do them any old night? That's how I've done it (after seeing it suggested) and like others, I find I gain a good solid night's sleep each time.

Glad to hear that's still the case (RC working for your daughter) Jerry!Â

I doubt you'll feel jack with 25-30 RC seeds. I don't recall hearing of anyone tripping at all on that kind of dose. But then there's this whole thing lately about whether the RC seeds from a given vendor are potent, so potency issues with RC seeds I've tried may be coloring my perception of what RC seeds will do.

If our clusterhead brethren and (sistren) responding to this could also indicate whether the seeds they bought seemed to do anything for 'em or not, that could be helpful too, since I think there's an ongoing question about the actual potency of RC seeds from one vendor to the next.

Your story is very touching Tingeling. And harrowing. Sounds like that man may have saved your life.

Hi Jilly from Philly Glad to see that you're getting the good answers and advice from the grizzled CH vets here. 8-) I would add that while you're seeking out a new doc, do everything you can to make sure he/she is a headache specialist. Your willfully ignorant bonehead dork of a neurologist is unfortunately very typical of non headache specialist neurologists. Sounds like you got a good recommendation for the Jefferson center. One of the great things right there about this online forum. Since as Hipshot noted, you'd need to detox from verap to effectively "bust" (mushrooms), the O2 would be a critical component in that strategy of course. Lotsa CH folk who have a difficult time getting an idiot doctor to prescribe O2 just do an end run and get the same O2 at a welding supply place without prescription. In any case you'd likely need to also order a good non rebreather mask and hi flow regulator online. [Edit: dang I now see that you guys posted more info about this before I was able to finish typing my diatribe ] Sleeping.....some CH'ers report that melatonin actually prevents their night time hits, not to mention it's use as a sleeping aid. Starting dose for hit prevention is 9 mg before bed, with some people going all the way up to 18 mg - or even 25 mg (!) before getting relief. On the extremely anecdotal side, when it's just sleep that's the issue, I personally find that 5-HTP along with 3 mg melatonin knocks me out good. (5-HTP is a form of tryptophan, that stuff in turkey that causes you to involuntarily nap 8-))

Did you catch them at onset with injector?

Imigran (imitrex), is certainly a much more controversial abortive than O2, and therefore it is good to use O2 as a first line abortive. Personally I have reserved imigran for my backup in case the O2 doesn't work, or isn't accessible, and although many swear at imigran, I have sworn by it for this type of use, as it was a component that has allowed me to abort every single attack in a 2.5 month episode last year (I'm hoping that now that I'm busting with mushrooms, I won't have need for abortives anymore). I feel no side effects whatsoever from imigran, although I think that folks who believe it can extend episodes may have a case. I've used imigran since it came on the market BTW (about 17 years ago I think). Injectible is by far the most effective form (extremely effective in fact) and this tip for extending doses (and avoiding OD) can be critical for those who are prescribed 6 mg injectors: http://www.clusterheadaches.com/imitrex.html