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Alright, CHSurvivor, assuming it's the *illegal* part that's non-negotiable with you, I'll just suggest you may wanna keep an eye on the developments with BOL-148, an ultra powerful preventative with the sort of well funded clinical trials that can win FDA approval apparently beginning right around now at Harvard Medical.

Oh OK I'm just now seeing this discussion after having replied to the New Member-DBS recipient, chronic survivor topic you started, CHSurvivor. There are plants that literally grow right at our feet that are more powerful for preventing CH than any currently available drug, legal or otherwise (I say currently available, because there are high hopes for BOL-148 to become an approved and available medication). Personally I think considering these plants that nature (or "God", depending on one's beliefs) has put in our faces and said "here, just eat this, I have provided an effective non toxic treatment", to be drugs is questionable. It's certainly no surprise to me that the likes of Harvard Medical et al, have become involved in researching these plants and are confirming their efficacy for CH. The Rivea Corymbosa seeds used by indigenous peoples for millenia for instance, can be very effective for some, are at least a good starting place for busting, and many of us have found that at therapeutic levels the only side effect is a good night's sleep, with no intoxication (!) Comparing this to the vomiting of blood, 28 staples in head, infections, lack of relief, etc., or the specter of drugs like prednisone, I hope you may get a real sense of why busting is very rapidly becoming the treatment of choice for so many CH'ers, many of them middle age and older church going type folks who've tried countless therapies and only wish they discovered, or considered, this route long ago.

Hey CHS, There's a lot of very pertinent info to be found on the message board here beyond what you see on the main page. There are just an awful lot of veteran CH'ers here such as myself who after decades spent with the condition have found *busting* to provide the most effective relief. I think this Newsweek article on us and busting makes for both an interesting read and a good introduction, plus I see your dog's name is actually Buster ;D: http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/10/14/the-psychedelic-solution.html

A couple things about that in case you're not already up on it: 1) the injectable form is significantly faster acting tends to be much more effective for us CH'ers. Half doses (3 mg) or less will reliably abort an attack, and of course dramatically conserve fund$ and lessen side effect risk. Instructions for administering partial doses here: http://www.clusterheadaches.com/imitrex.html 2) From what I've seen the Imitrex, Zomig, etc. triptans will likely more completely block your busting efforts than Prozac or Verapamil will, and are generally detoxed from for 5 days before a bust.

Hey Bob - it sounds to me like you're doing an awful lot of stuff right, and that you're well researched indeed. The fact that you got 2 days PF after 2g seems encouraging, and please keep in mind that some post dose hits are common even with very successful busts, so you still could see some real results from this 3g whopper you just experienced. One thing I can think of for your future busting strategy is to maintenance bust between cycles, because it can be easier and more immediately effective that way. You probably already knew that, but this is only your second cycle, so how could you guess when the next one would start up? :-? That was a good first post ya left there, thanks for including the essential info. [Edit: I see CHF slipped a reply in while I was still formulating mine. That happens a lot LOL. About the SSRI issue - others have successfully busted while on them, so it's not necessarily a deal killer IMO.]

And now after that little rant of mine, onto a more positive note - hats off to those who take action against the insanity and sometimes even win. A recent case in point would be the announcement just this month of $20 million funding for trials of the ultra powerful CH killer BOL-148 with intent to bring it to market. The fact that this is taking place within the medical field itself seems like a huge turnaround to me, hopefully with all manner of sanity and mass CH relief resulting. 8-) Not that that's going to help you at all right now Bubblesup, dammit. > I hope in the meantime the home busting approach will carry you through with some serious PF time.

Yep. The way I look at it, that's just us humans for ya. :-? There appear to always have been societies that subscribe to dumb, arbitrary stigmas and taboos, often with complete buy in from the highly educated authority figures. Sheesh we can really be a bunch of idiots and jerks.Â

I second that [smiley=vrolijk_1.gif] Jeebs

Big improvement indeed! 8-) Insert *sigh of relief* <here>.Â

Thanks BostonHeadacheDoc!Â

I'm glad you're on the case about keeping Ketamine on the radar here Ajax. How's about detailing how you use it, at what dosage, and what sorta side effects you find can be expected?

Just wondering if you could stop taking that opiate now? OK, probably not, I know I would never take a pain pill just because a dentist told me to, and the tooth pain is probably un-manageable without the opiate for you, but if there were any other non-opiate way to deal with the tooth pain now that wouldn't interfere with busting on the weekend....

Luck, shmuck, that $1 mil is practically a guaranteed win for you DD, so it's time to decide how to spend it, and get out there and make some down payments on stuff! Heck, why not get busy now charging some major items on the credit card if it doesn't have to be paid off until after the 18th? ;D ;D Seriously though GOOD LUCK, I think you're a genuine contender.Â

Wow Carl sounds like one in a billion who lived so large and whose legacy will live on. Hey, you told him once, that said it all, and it means you're clearly not a w***er, just very lucky to have been good pals with Carl.Â

2013 sounds like it has started in a fantastic way for you and Jan indeed!! [smiley=vrolijk_1.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=thumbup.gif]

Don't we WISH! :'( Getting it tested and approved will take a while still, but we just heard a rumor that things could be moving in that direction again this year. 8-) It can vary from individual to individual, and can especially depend on whether one is in cycle or not, but 1.5g to 2g of cracker dry vitamin M seems like it has become a pretty standard dosage range for those who have previous experience with it and have an idea of what to expect. It's necessary to wait around 5 days between *higher* doses like that, and sometimes just one dose will knock out a cycle for someone, other times it can require a few doses. It's important to be detoxed from meds like triptans for 5 days or so before busting too. A maintenance dose between cycles tends to be done every 2 to 6 months, depending on the behavior of an individual's CH. Busting with mushrooms works for a very large percentage of us, but there can be a CH'er here or there that it doesn't seem to work for. That's not the standard way to dose at all, but funny you should mention it, a discussion was recently resurrected here where at least one guy took very small doses daily and had success. I believe that approach is still thought of as more experimental, not generally proven. Here's the link to that discussion: http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cb/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1356659939 Glad you have found your way to busting for CH Zoroy. This busting thing has saved a lot of CH'ers!Â

Doh! My cover is blown for 2013! ;D And perusing through Bob's post I realize 2012 has revealed Altruistic to be Jerry's middle name. I dunno though, Jerry "Altruistic" CHfather could have a nicer ring to it - doesn't exactly roll right off the tongue.;D How about just simply "Alty" for CHf's new nick name?Â

:o FECK YEAH :o And that goes for both BOL 149 and BOL-148. ;D Little birdies been telling you all kinda astounding stuff lately DD.Â

Is that Jerry Stiller??!! ;D

Whole lotta successful [smiley=vrolijk_1.gif] BUSTING [smiley=vrolijk_1.gif] going on around here lately! [smiley=thumbup.gif] [smiley=thumbup.gif] Must be that Mayan calendar / dawn of a new era thingy. ;D

YES. Here's to that being a continuing trend all the way to PF. 8-)

Really liking hearing about this continued PF nighttime stuff Birdman.

From what I've experienced and seen reported here, for many of us that can be a strong dose range, but an occasional CH'er does have a higher tolerance and requires more. So this is cracker dry Vit M, not fresh, that you're weighing?

Hi Twan, Sorry you're experiencing a CH bout, but GLAD you live in Holland where a natural CH remedy more effective than any drug can be purchased legally, and that you've already received excellent, spot on advice from CHfather here. He gave you all of the most important condensed info/insight, I agree with it all 100%, and you'd do well to consider it your CH Bible. 8-) Yes, many of us have tried magic mushrooms and find them to work very well. Try not to be too discouraged by any slapbacks, I hope you can abort them.

That's a heckuva news story - I'd never heard any of that before about why Christmas presents are red and white under a snow flocked tree, why red and white dressed Santa comes down the chimney, and why he has flying reindeer.[smiley=vrolijk_1.gif] http://news.yahoo.com/magic-mushrooms-may-explain-santa-flying-reindeer-210334389.html